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muscma01 says

+! AlumoAudio

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soundroll says

I agree more with LIam. This site is for more small companies and projects, they look for fast and cheap way to get music for their projects, that’s why they buy from here.

I know another places and sites ask their buyers to fill forms, but there are another category of buyers.

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ZtarrZound says

I agree more with LIam. This site is for more small companies and projects, they look for fast and cheap way to get music for their projects, that’s why they buy from here.

I know another places and sites ask their buyers to fill forms, but there are another category of buyers.
I agree with this. You know what you’re getting into, blah blah blah.
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UJ-pro says

A question.

Sometimes it happens that a track goes public by using it in a commercial video and than the people start loving it and it’s gonna be a hit. (OK, usualy vocal tracks, but there are vocal tracks on AJ as well)

In our case, what would happen to our rights or the customers rights if one our songs was bought with extended license is gonna be a hit for sale on CD….. ?

I don’t know much about licensing as a newbie on the online market.

Thanks, Udo

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tacoMusic says

I agree more with LIam. This site is for more small companies and projects, they look for fast and cheap way to get music for their projects, that’s why they buy from here.

I know another places and sites ask their buyers to fill forms, but there are another category of buyers.

Really soundroll? If you were earning less from this site, I think you might feel differently. I still don’t see how anyone loses out from this – including the smaller businesses. If it’s going on TV, cinema or elsewhere where a broadcaster pays royalties like radio, then there is NO impact to the customer. It sounds like most people wouldn’t even need to fill in a cue sheet if they’re using it on a YT video – do you need to fill out a cue sheet for YouTube usage?

Tim – sorry mate, we’ve totally hijacked your thread. I’ll leave my comments at that and hopefully we can focus on the original post topic.

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AlumoAudio says

I agree more with LIam. This site is for more small companies and projects, they look for fast and cheap way to get music for their projects, that’s why they buy from here.

Mostly, yes, but not all. I’ve had a handful of production companies buy licenses of my music from AJ that have personally contacted me to inform me of it being aired on national TV and Radio. I could potentially receive royalties for that if my tracks were PRO registered. And then I could invest that extra money back into my business, to improve my product – thus putting higher quality material out onto AJ, for example. I guess the view from the top of the mountain is just a different view from the bottom.

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TimMcMorris says
Yeah thats what I’m saying, you can’t collect performance royalties from songs here so there is no point in asking for the cue sheet or even a brief description of how the song is being used

Thanks for the input Liam :)

The reality is that as composers we should have a right to know where the music we’ve worked so hard on is being used.

Though the PRO debate is another legitimate debate, that issue was not tied into the original question and has been infused into this thread when it shouldn’t be. To be clear there however, a Royalty Free Library can be PRO friendly. I see there is great confusion in many previous posts on this and it’s a shame really.

But back on topic now…

The thought here is that the current system makes no provision for anyone to monitor use of their music. There are many valid reasons for this beyond deterring illegal use and building show reels.

It has happened now on a few occasions that I have been contacted by a buyer that wants to know how popular a song is in their region. For example: A company wants to license a song but is worried it is over exposed. They really like the song, but won’t use it if there are hundreds of other companies using the same song in their area. Well, with the current system I can’t give them any information whatsoever.

Even the opposite has happened. Another buyer wants to make sure a song is “popular enough” in their area to be recognizable for their brand. Again – how can I know?

Just because this is a “stock audio site” doesn’t mean it needs to be a second rate site and that we’re a bunch of second rate composers. If for no other purpose, some information should be required and released for ethical reasons.

Are we a bunch of nameless, faceless, sweat shop ghost writers creating music in the back corners of the internet who are OK with pumping out world class music for pennies – being happy with a credit-less system that encourages non-transparency between it’s suppliers and it’s customers? Guess I can’t speak for everyone, but I say NO.

I certainly don’t know how it would make anyone else feel, but I don’t like it when I can’t even confirm that a major motion picture using my song (with a budget of over 4 million dollars) has purchased the appropriate license (and if someone wants to get angry about the PRO thing, this is the spot :)

At the absolute very least, the territory (simply “online” if on the web) or the country would be a step in the right direction. How would this harm sales? If anything I think it legitimizes the site MORE.

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Lmz says

I agree more with LIam. This site is for more small companies and projects, they look for fast and cheap way to get music for their projects, that’s why they buy from here.

That may be the way things started but AJ has picked in popularity and is now used with bigger companies/projects. Audiojungle should provide better licensing options to cover the wide array of music uses so the composer can be compensated fairly for their work(e.g. web only use, broadcast -local/national/worldwide, use within larger project provided for free/sale).

More adequate licensing options will also give the composer an insight into it’s use without asking the buyer to fill out additional information.

PRO is for music libraries. Adding PRO to AJ will involve quite a lot on Envato’s part since they would have to set themselves as a publisher worldwide with the many PRO/PRS. Easiest/best thing for AJ to consider at the moment is more adequate licensing terms broken down by usage.

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delgibbons says

I only mentioned pro down to its accountability…

I think aj should remain separate from cuesheets etc… Just have a simple usage and country form

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muscma01 says

I would be curious to see what buyers had to say about that? Personally I have bought some graphics on my other account and it wouldn’t have bothered me to put the usage. The funny thing was I had a little trouble understanding the license agreement.

I have found that the majority of people that license music respect copyright and licensing. A lot of them are in the entertainment business as well. I don’t think it would turn anyone off, especially with the high quality of music that is being licensed here.

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