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kristopherfisheraudio says

So I just realized by complete coincidence that I have actually built a ‘Mac Compatible’ system with the hardware.

So I must admit, I love OSX and I only moved away as my machine was going to cost $12,000 compared to the $3-4K I spent on the same spec PC.

So I am quite tech savvy, and have all the tools to make my windows machine run OSX 10.8.

You think I should? I have always had bad experiences with Windows, so I guess its worth a shot!

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delgibbons says

Cubase in my experience prefers the PC to the Mac….it just runs better ;) just a thought

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matsteiner says

Forget OSX! In my opinion this OS has no chance for pro musicians over longer terms! Too many issues and updates with no more working software… on my Windows 8 I have almost 15 year old VST plugins still working… consider that! Additional OSX takes 40% more CPU power on the same machine with the same software compared to Windwos 7 (or 8).
Apples focus on the I-market is not good for the pro’s…
Windows isn’t a problem anyway, usually it’s just scrappy hardware. Mac’s have a much better build quality than CHEAP PC’s… (but don’t buy a Mac for running Windows on it, that would be insane too!). (I’m selling ans supporting both, Mac & PC’s and music soft- and hardware as my business)

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delgibbons says

And if you use vsl ensemble pro or MIR pro….forget the Mac! PC is miles ahead for those programs especially.

Increased channel counts…more instruments etc.

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Well I had a Mac Pro 2008 2x quad 2.8ghz with 12gb ram which was great, I used logic with it. But after I finished a 8th month project I decided I needed to upgrade as my mac was hitting its limit with the size of sessions, also logic is really bad with using cpu power and threads.

However I must admit I love the OSX workflow.

I have been using Windows 7 since November, and on the new rig (i7-3930K, X79-UD5 Mobo, 64GB 1600Mhz RAM, GTX 670, 3x SSDs etc) everything is super fast, sessions the same size as my biggest on my mac which maxed it are using around 5-10% of my new machine, so a drastic performance increase.

However I had had double the amount of crashes/issues with my new machine compared to that of the mac in 4 years.

Now I know you can put that down to drivers, hardware issues etc and your right but its just a right pain.

Now I have my BIOS tweaked and have it running really stable, but the issue I had last night with losing my OS drive and having to reinstall it just because I had to power the machine off because it got stuck on the ‘windows is shutting down’ screen is a joke. Window recovery wouldn’t even work.

Its just annoying, perhaps next time I will pay the extra £££ to get it built by a DAW specialist and if it goes tits up I can blame someone :)

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NoizMan says

I was using Windows + Cubase. I’ve switched to OSX + Logic and I am really happy…. and I think that Logic calculates everything better and as a result, the sound is better!

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matsteiner says

Well I had a Mac Pro 2008 2x quad 2.8ghz with 12gb ram which was great, I used logic with it. But after I finished a 8th month project I decided I needed to upgrade as my mac was hitting its limit with the size of sessions, also logic is really bad with using cpu power and threads.

However I must admit I love the OSX workflow.

I have been using Windows 7 since November, and on the new rig (i7-3930K, X79-UD5 Mobo, 64GB 1600Mhz RAM, GTX 670, 3x SSDs etc) everything is super fast, sessions the same size as my biggest on my mac which maxed it are using around 5-10% of my new machine, so a drastic performance increase.

However I had had double the amount of crashes/issues with my new machine compared to that of the mac in 4 years.

Now I know you can put that down to drivers, hardware issues etc and your right but its just a right pain.

Now I have my BIOS tweaked and have it running really stable, but the issue I had last night with losing my OS drive and having to reinstall it just because I had to power the machine off because it got stuck on the ‘windows is shutting down’ screen is a joke. Window recovery wouldn’t even work.

Its just annoying, perhaps next time I will pay the extra £££ to get it built by a DAW specialist and if it goes tits up I can blame someone :)
The question is what was crashing: When Windows 7 is crashing it’s definitely a hardware problem, simply because Windows 7 normally NEVER crashes, that’s nearly impossible except it’s something else wrong.
Maybe the DAW or a PlugIns crashes, but this has nothing to do with the machine or the os, but maybe more with the version of that piece of software. Also consider: The more plugins you use, the bigger is the chance that one of them is not working properly and let crash the entire DAW (not Windows, this should still work!!). And yes, you should select your Windows machine VERY carefully, there is a lot of scrap on the market that causes enough problems! That’s the benefit with the Mac which provides always the same built quality.
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kristopherfisheraudio says
The question is what was crashing: When Windows 7 is crashing it’s definitely a hardware problem, simply because Windows 7 normally NEVER crashes, that’s nearly impossible except it’s something else wrong.
Maybe the DAW or a PlugIns crashes, but this has nothing to do with the machine or the os, but maybe more with the version of that piece of software. Also consider: The more plugins you use, the bigger is the chance that one of them is not working properly and let crash the entire DAW (not Windows, this should still work!!). And yes, you should select your Windows machine VERY carefully, there is a lot of scrap on the market that causes enough problems! That’s the benefit with the Mac which provides always the same built quality.

Hey Matt,

Your totally right, I am extremely OCD when it comes to system stability. When I first set the system up (just built it and installed the OS) I would get these issues:

1. BSODs every 30mins.
2. Pops/Clicks every 2 seconds in Audio
3. Windows Explorer would crash upon start up
4. When shutting down it would sit at the ‘Windows is shutting down’ and stick
5. Programs would randomly crash

What I did to solve all of this was, ditch the Windows 7 CD I had from when it first came out and downloaded a new copy from the Microsoft website and made a bootable USB.

Right away the system was stable on the new install. I then updated the BIOS to F12 and installed all the latest drivers. In the BIOS everything is still set to auto which is working fine however I do know the correct settings for a stable overclock to 4GHz (not exactly massive) as well as all the correct voltages and timings for the RAM. The BIOS settings becomes quite a different ball game when you have 64GB RAM.

However like I said it is set to auto and it has been left on for over a week at idle with no issues, before it would BSOD at 30 mins.

As for the pops and clicks in audio that was down to a driver hogging the CPU. I have also since put a dedicated TI Firewire PCI card in rather than using the onboard port.

Additionally MemTest passes with no issues, I might do a stress test but considering my biggest sessions currently are 100-150 VIs across 10 separate instances of Kontakt 5 and multiple Convolution Reverbs and yet it only pushes to a max of 13% load I don’t think I will be stressing my system in the real word for quite some time.

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matsteiner says

Hey Kristopher

Wow, the first installation seemed to have REALLY bad problems! I’m a bit surprised that you could solve it with downloading a new installer!? I never had this…
But however, it looks better now. What kind of crashed do you have now? Which DAW?

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Definitely looking like a DAW or driver issue… Pro-Tools is a well known offender for the BSOD… usually because of Digidesign hardware compatibility issues.
But like Matt said, upgrade to Windows 8 (as counter-intuitive as it might be) and these problems vanish! I yet have to crash the computer using Pro-Tools since I upgraded… it used to be something that happened at least once a week under Windows 7 and the exact same configuration…
If you post your specs, people might be able to help you figure out what is strong with your configuration a little more specifically.

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