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JaredRitchey says

Following the thread on the license changes I see that I wasn’t the only one that believed an extended license allowed for multiple uses. Case in point is an extended license I purchased and used in a product I make available for my hosting clients. The developer of the “Code Canyon” item had no problem with it but as I read yesterday and today, its actually a violation of the use license here at Envato. Now I’m contracting an assistant PHP developer to help me build my own version just because.

I’d like to see if anyone would consider an “OPT INTO” Developers License for certain items. To clarify what I think many consider a Developers License would be to articulate it by saying that when I look at products I’ve purchased recently. WPTouch Pro, Gravity Forms, JS Highslide, and EXT JS, all of which I purchased developer licenses for since each as a single use license wasn’t befitting of my role in building end user solutions.

I see tremendous value in offering a developers license not only because it increases sales but people rip us off all the time. When I use to sell turnkey OSCommerce themes years ago people frequently ripped me off by bundling my themes and selling them on eBay and such, it didn’t occur to me back then that other options may have helped to increase my revenue. It wasn’t until recently that we started offering our main products with multi license types did I see an increase in sales and a reduction of my stuff being pimped on WAREZ sites. In fact I removed the domain validation and serial number requirement on our MLS plugin and sales went up.

Marketing people know that the more ways you make available for people to buy your product, the more likely they will. Maybe we could suggest to Envato to have multiple licenses we as developers and as purchases can decide which to opt into.

Standard License, Extended License, Tools License and Developers License, etc with provisions etc etc etc and so on.

I’ve been in chat sessions with some of the designers I follow here and they think offering multi site options a good way to increase revenue. I’d happily post my three products here under such terms…..

Your thoughts?

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WebSmacker says

+1000
It would:
- increase sales
- take less time for the buyers because they can buy it once and be done
- boost author motivation as dev sales would bring in more money with each sale

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Typps says

wptouch pro: $199 ( dev license), gravity forms: $199 ( dev license), JS Highslide : $179.00 ( unlimited websites a.k.a dev license) and Ext JS : $595.00 ( 1 dev pack)

Going to play devils advocate here and just point out that the items you quote are items outside this marketplace and as you can note, they cost an arm and a leg for dev licenses. IMHO it is naive of you to think you could use the extended licenses in the same way i.e. on more than 1 product given that the extended licenses here cost 1/3 on average compared to any dev license outside this marketplace.

The way i read them, the extended licenses are nice if you have a single product that you own, to which you want to add value, i.e. your work does not conflict with the code your trying to incorporate. This single product can be sold, so everybody buying your product ( single product) aren’t paying any additional costs for the code you incorporated.

In fact this type of licensing, outside this marketplace cost a lot and on average around $1000+ depending on the product and is usually done behind closed doors, so between you and the company letting you use their code in this way. Envato and the authors who enabled their items to have an extended license are giving you this at minimum cost.

I’ve read a few posts, where people claim (as have you) that from now on they will hire their own devs to write the pieces of code they want. You can do this of course, but you’ll never get the item at the fraction of the cost, including life time updates and support. Support is really hard and there is a huge community here reporting bugs, something you cannot replicate if you went solo.

Just wanted to clear that bit up. That said, yes, i agree, a dev license would be nice. I think they already said this is the first phase with regard to licensing and that more will come, so we might get dev licenses too.

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JaredRitchey says

Yeah exactly, and as I mentioned in the other thread, I use to purchase “interface controls” for my VB applications since they were developers licenses I could build my own products and sell, give away as shareware, do whatever. Of course this was back in the 90’s when such things were cool but the point is, as a developer, people buy controls, interface elements, code snippets and the like as many software products available are built using multiple tools.

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JaredRitchey says

The way i read them, the extended licenses are nice if you have a single product that you own, to which you want to add value, i.e. your work does not conflict with the code your trying to incorporate. This single product can be sold, so everybody buying your product ( single product) aren’t paying any additional costs for the code you incorporated.
You missed the point just a tad, the extended license in fact does NOT allow for inclusion which is what concerned me. I was able to get that clarified in as much.

In fact this type of licensing, outside this marketplace cost a lot and on average around $1000+ depending on the product and is usually done behind closed doors, so between you and the company letting you use their code in this way. Envato and the authors who enabled their items to have an extended license are giving you this at minimum cost.
My point exactly. Like I mentioned, back in the 90’s when we use to build apps in VB and C++ we could go to any number of vendors that sold development tools such as controls, forms, and other enhancements as code snippet libraries which developers used in the production of their software products.

My suggestion for a developers license would in as much be of similar intent. I myself think that I could increase sales on Envato if people could buy my items with a multi site or developers package.

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Typps says

You missed the point just a tad, the extended license in fact does NOT allow for inclusion which is what concerned me. I was able to get that clarified in as much.
I was talking about extended license prior to the new changes we see today. This is what you were referring to when you said you thought:

Following the thread on the license changes I see that I wasn’t the only one that believed an extended license allowed for multiple uses.
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ChapterThemes says

Short and simple: I think they should reject themes only full of purchased options and items.

There are already too many ‘authors’ building just a nice wireframe and fill it with:

“Over 500 shortcodes!” = Just included some premium shortcode plugin

“Paralex slider, Touch slider, This slider” = All purchased

And so on.

The themes are most of the time realy nice designs the author should get all credit for! But it’s getting out of control.

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Typps says

ahh ok ok, i see now. You are referring to the other thread and the new license as it stands :)

My fault, apologies :P

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JaredRitchey says

Take for instance the Code Canyon product for Points of Interest Google Map. I already contacted the developer to build me a custom version because of the license restriction but if a developers license for $149.95 or $249.95 or even $349.95 were offered, I’d buy.

I’m about to submit a WordPress Post Planner plugin to Envato. I’m guessing they will set the price like most other plugins, if I had an option to OPT INTO a developers unlimited use license for say $150, I’d jump on it.

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