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purethemes says

Our licenses don’t allow that. Meaning, you can’t purchase OUR licenses and use them that way. If you make a special deal with the author, that’s fine.
If I’m making a special deal with the author who is Exclusive author and buying from him the item “behind Envato” , he is breaking the rules:
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Agreeing to keep your portfolio of items for sale exclusive to the Envato Marketplaces entitles you to a higher percentage of each sale — from 50% to 70%. You can still sell other items elsewhere (on other marketplaces, your own site) however any items you place on an Envato Marketplace must be exclusively sold there.

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CodingJack says

Sooo that prohibits using any item from CodeCanyon in theme for ThemeForest – even if I’ll write to ThemePunch and say – “Hi, I’d like to use your Revolution slider in my theme, I’m going to pay you XXX $” and he will agree, this will still break the rule of distributing source files. So in conslusion not a single theme with CC slider or other script bought from this day can be approved for ThemeForest.

I think this goes back to the “permission” clause that was talked about earlier. But it’s a little confusing. For example, I think the spirit of the clause is that authors can team up any time and decide to do business together. But contacting a CC author and receiving “permission” to use an item isn’t really teaming up. And if the two authors were to make a side deal, that would go against any exclusive agreements involved.

So in theory, the two authors would have to be “percentage” partners. That is, a one-time side deal couldn’t be made due to exclusivity rules, but if the situation was truly a partnership, where one party received a percentage of all sales, then it would be ok. At least that’s my interpretation.

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LanceSnider says


Sooo that prohibits using any item from CodeCanyon in theme for ThemeForest – even if I’ll write to ThemePunch and say – “Hi, I’d like to use your Revolution slider in my theme, I’m going to pay you XXX $” and he will agree, this will still break the rule of distributing source files. So in conslusion not a single theme with CC slider or other script bought from this day can be approved for ThemeForest.

I think this goes back to the “permission” clause that was talked about earlier. But it’s a little confusing. For example, I think the spirit of the clause is that authors can team up any time and decide to do business together. But contacting a CC author and receiving “permission” to use an item isn’t really teaming up. And if the two authors were to make a side deal, that would go against any exclusive agreements involved.

So in theory, the two authors would have to be “percentage” partners. That is, a one-time side deal couldn’t be made due to exclusivity rules, but if the situation was truly a partnership, where one party received a percentage of all sales, then it would be ok. At least that’s my interpretation.

Correct. They can’t just purchase the file. It must be a partnership.

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purethemes says
And that’s what will lead to abusing this rules. That’s why I think these license changes were made without consultation with authors, desipte the quote from Notes:
We received a lot of great feedback last year from authors and buyers about the licenses. This was done through a combination of face to face, skype and email conversations, forum threads, and surveying.

And as the Lance said there’s no timeline for next phase of license changes, I’m afraid we will be stuck with this for a longer while..

Don’t get me wrong, as I said earlier I fully support these changes and most of them are good, and I don’t have anything against paying more for a license which will give me permision to include scipts in my themes. I just want to have clear rules for this, and now nothing is clear.

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LanceSnider says

And that’s what will lead to abusing this rules. That’s why I think these license changes were made without consultation with authors, desipte the quote from Notes:
We received a lot of great feedback last year from authors and buyers about the licenses. This was done through a combination of face to face, skype and email conversations, forum threads, and surveying.

And as the Lance said there’s no timeline for next phase of license changes, I’m afraid we will be stuck with this for a longer while..

Don’t get me wrong, as I said earlier I fully support these changes and most of them are good, and I don’t have anything against paying more for a license which will give me permision to include scipts in my themes. I just want to have clear rules for this, and now nothing is clear.
If you are still unclear, please let me know so we can fix it. That’s what this thread is for. :)
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chiccosinalo says

still looking forward to a buyout option for logos i.e $300 or a new marketplace just for logos. cheers

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dyspersion says

I’m all for clarifying the licenses, but you guys seem to have shot yourselves in the foot with this one by removing the extended licenses, specifically on CodeCanyon. (I wish I’d have known about this yesterday. As a client, I was going to make some ext. license purchases on CodeCanyon, but not now.)

And as an author, you’re going to have to allow me to remain an “exclusive” author while still allowing me to sell an extended license on my own site. You don’t offer an extended license anymore, so the product is different, technically. You’re going to have to come up with something to address this conflict in your agreements and licenses that you’ve now created for yourself and us. So, what’s it going to be?

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Tixylix says

This isn’t really all that hard.

Single Use License – use the product once, provided you’re not selling it by itself or as part something.

Multi Use License – use the product as many times as you want, provided you’re not selling it by itself or as part of something.

Extended License – use it in a product you sell to one client (one end use).

Stock License (ie; Multi Extended License) – use it in a product you sell to as many people as you want.

Now I guess we wait another couple of years for Envato to reach the above conclusions!

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purethemes says

If you are still unclear, please let me know so we can fix it. That’s what this thread is for. :)

Ok, so again, I’m speaking from my point of view as an author of WordPress themes:

  1. How do you know that two authors are in partnership? How can I prove it?
  2. What is the difference between partnership, and buying a permision from author to use his scipt behind Envato?
  3. How does it stands against “exclusivity” rules?
  4. How getting permission from author to use his jQuery script in theme stands againts the “distrubitons of source files” rule? I don’t know your background Lance, so I’ll assume that you don’t know that source CSS/JS files can’t be hidden from the end user. It’s very different than flash components or AE projects.
  5. How much time it took to create those new rules, and how long we would have to wait for new type of “use-in-stock” license (if you’re planing to add one)?

That’s all for now :P

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LanceSnider says

I do understand that a few of the ThemeForest authors are going to have to come up with other solutions when it comes to using other peoples’ items in stock. Collis has an answer for that on page 3: http://graphicriver.net/forums/thread/new-marketplace-license-discussion/85239?page=3

I know that not everyone agrees with that decision, but we had to figure out a balance between simplifying the license, protecting the authors, and providing solutions for theme authors. I like the solution of creating extra licenses, which is something we’ll consider in the next phase.

I would sure love to hear feedback about the other changes to the licenses, FAQs, or landing page if people have them. Specifically, do they make sense? What do you think of the fact that we killed off the “walled garden” (ex: Blogger could have bought our items to offer to Blogger users) usage? What are we missing (other than the developer license that’s been discussed)? Anything else?

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