Music ? How is that ?

This is a rant I was just browsing through files and I was blown away by the lack of fairness and professional morality (or whatever you might call it).
I found in “Sounds” section some samples that are taken “as they are” from VST instruments.
The sound I found is a chimes sample that you have in the percussion set of one orchestral VSTi (the chimes from “Edirol Orchestral” plugin).

How can someone just upload it like that ? I don’t know how to interpret the laws and rules regarding that, but for me as a musician and sound designer is somehow very wrong.
Same user have a lot of tracks made out of a bunch of loops thrown together.
A rule should be made against this thing.
I’m not going to make public the user’s name, it’s not a personal fight and it’s not really my intention to transform myself into “music police”, it’s just an alert signal to the site owners to refine maybe more the submissions that they allow here…
Some of the loops from audio making programs (like loops from “Magix Music Maker”) are under their own license.

http://www.magix.com/se/links/terms-of-service/

True that. For me too songs are more satisfying than just uploading sounds. I mean you can make any sound with a keyboard nowadays, i remember when we used to record sound effects acoustically through a mic. Everyone is different and have different talents or no talents. Your music is very good so don’t be mad i know it is not all that fair but you can always say that this is my song.

Cheers

First, thank you for the compliment
Second, there are people who make samples “for real”. If the upload “kitchen noises pack”, they went in their kitchen with a microphone and start hitting whatever they see.
On the other hand, you have those… DAW content thefts that take a drum machine, play the kick drum, render the kick (I’m not talking about a beat or a complex rhythm) and sell it here as “kick drum sample”.
That is reselling the sample content of the DAW . Is it legal ? I don’t think so.
Also using pre-made loops, this can be part of an original composition (having drum loops and playing your guitar over it) or can be transformed/ chopped/ rearranged in a original way.
Thank you for the feedback.

Yep, answers in a way. Thank you.
I was more wondering from the other point of view , not of the website’s officials but from uploader’s.

I do agree that the reviewers let too much pass. I can understand when this site was in its infancy and they needed track numbers, but surely now a higher rejection rate should be used. For example, not just blocking tracks that don’t work or are one sample, but blocking a mediocre track in a category for which aj has too many tracks already.

...and the author can go buy a candy bar.

Well, when tax is payed, you can’t even afford the paper it’s rapped in

This is really one of the things that pulls the motivation down, when you as an author put’s a lot of effort into the making of your tracks etc..

You need to find other reasons to be here then making money, for a start at least. To sell more and have more fun while doing it, we and envato have to think out of the box literally spoken, go new ways, think creatively, take chances, etc. Otherwise it will be a pain to create in the long run….

There are a small group making money here(AJ), but at the end of the day and the sum is being made, it’s really not that much yet!

Hopefully it will change, which it has gradually done, I have been here from the start of AJ, things and sales are better now!

“Problem is, we are making music to the generation of stealers, look around and see how the music-industry still makes a joke out of their musicians, look at iTunes and see how they have taken away the identity from the music …(there a good things to say as well)....... people are still seeing music as their own personal property and have no clue what so ever how much work musicians put into their work…

It’s really is a tough one to crack, selling music! But it can be done … here too!

I don’t agree that is reviewer’s fault. There are way to many platforms and programs that you just can’t know all the default samples from every program.
A Mac user will not be familiar with Windows programs and will not recognize the default Magix Music Maker loops. At the same point, a Windows user will not recognize the default loops from Garage Band.
I think that is the fault of loo...sorry, users who upload things against any common sense.
Some might do it out of ignorance, maybe should be a good idea to make a sticky with more specific rules about what sounds you can upload, maybe the uploading form should be changed:
“Any images / sounds / video / code / flash used which are not my own work have been appropriately licensed for resale. Other than these items, this work is entirely my own and I have full rights to sell it on AudioJungle.”
This is not clear enough, a less experienced user might think like this:
“I own the software, the work I do with it is mine, even if I just export one note as a sample”.

A statement more specific as “Do not upload samples from your DAW unles they are an integral part of your musical composition, in combination with other sounds” in the upload form might help also.

I’m sure that someone can come with a better statement, more “official”.

This is a rant I was just browsing through files and I was blown away by the lack of fairness and professional morality (or whatever you might call it).
I found in “Sounds” section some samples that are taken “as they are” from VST instruments.

Using samples and sell them as is, without any tweak, additions,etc.. I think everyone would agree .. that it’s completely off track!

I know for a fact that envato’s roll in this is very clear, they take copyright infringement very seriously …

With respect to the reviewers roll in this, sorting out when reviewing, I have no clue of what is actually here and not. I hardly browse around here …. maybe I should!