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collis Envato team says

Hey folks! As Joel mentioned we’re working on this very feature! All the technical bits are actually long since done, but it’s the legal documents for licensing which are taking a long time – partly because we are reworking all the legal agreements on the site.

But yeah it will be awesome! We’ll be able to create all sorts of licenses so you can make more money out of your items. Joel came up with a lot of awesome suggestions and it should be nice and flexible too, so we can add more over time if there are new scenarios :-)

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musicformedia says
Hey folks! As Joel mentioned we’re working on this very feature! All the technical bits are actually long since done, but it’s the legal documents for licensing which are taking a long time – partly because we are reworking all the legal agreements on the site. But yeah it will be awesome! We’ll be able to create all sorts of licenses so you can make more money out of your items. Joel came up with a lot of awesome suggestions and it should be nice and flexible too, so we can add more over time if there are new scenarios :-)

Sweet I’m glad this is going to be brought in here – this is great news!

Any idea when it will be brought in?

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Denieru says

Oh thank god! This is the type of news I’ve been waiting for! Way to go AJ! Can’t wait for this to be implemented, it will not only help AJ grow, but would make composers on here much happier :)

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ProTunes says
Yes completely – I know for a fact that theres some very big tv companies that look on here, so that should be taken advantage of However, I think audiojungle wants to stay cheap and be competitive, or they’ll lose sales…

if thats the case then there must be a film and tv clause. all the artists should register their cues with ascap. Otherwise, you are really missing out on the benefits of having your music in tv… MONEY . If your cue gets used on a tv show or, underscore in a reality show, you will make more in one episode then 50-100 sales here. And… It’s recurring. Everytime that episode airs, you get paid. Since there is no license or ascap information for the tv people to draw from, some are undoubtedly filling in THEIR names instead and receiving the royalties you should have received.

In no way am I saying that most of the tv people do this, but some surely do.

It’s just a shame that audiojungle will not move quicker on this for the benefit of all who contribute music here.

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vaisnava says

ProTunes thanks for shedding light on the whole aspect of royalties, I never saw it too important until you made sense of it for me. :) I am going to get on it and I hope you other artists get to read his post as well.

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musicformedia says

I really can’t express how important I feel this is for Audiojungle to bring in. It really is integral to a stock audio site, and will keep composers here happy.

One thing – with this increase in money for license types, could the composer payout also be looked at?

You sell a track for $100 and get 25% and you’re still only getting $25 while the site makes $75 – thats really not fair – sorry, but I gotta say it.

On a smaller level, it can’t be seen or felt as much – $2.50 compared to $5.00, although it adds up, isnt as big a deal as $25 compared to $50 per sale.

I think if the entire licensing on here is going to be overhauled, the payout really needs to be addressed aswell. A lot of composers are disheartened at the payout rate as it stands now, and it really has to be addressed. :)

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vaisnava says

I agree with musicformedia, even the exclusive payout rate is shameful. Seriously AJ, the musicians and the ones doing the work deserve a bigger share for their products.

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ProTunes says
I agree with musicformedia, even the exclusive payout rate is shameful. Seriously AJ, the musicians and the ones doing the work deserve a bigger share for their products.

I’m right there with you buddy. I have sold $450 worth of music and my payout right now is $119.75. It’s pathetic really. I like the idea of the sight but in the end it is a total racket.

People expound upon “the new way” of doing things but in the end, it’s the same idea repacked. Distributors do not want to pay out fair rates and unless the creative side makes enough noise nothing will ever change.

I brought this up a few months ago and was shocked by the response. Authors seemed to not only mind the low pay out rates, they actually encouraged it to a degree… at least that was my perception.

Let me hip you guys to something. The new way needs to be the same as the old way. Creatives Get paid a fair F*cking cut for the work they put in and the music they provide to companies like audiojungle so they, in turn, get to have a business that makes money. It’s symbiotic. we provide and you sell for mutual gain.

Just because audiojungle sells the product does not mean they are entitled to more of a cut. The services they provide are EQUAL to what we provide.

We write, they sell. it’s simple really.

Right now it’s so lopsided… if the majority of writers here can’t see that, if you are just happy to have music on here and don’t want to rock the boat… well, there is no getting through to you.

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ADG3studios Envato team says

Hey Protunes,

Yeah, if I’m not mistaken, there is something in the pipes, as stated above.

I have in the past voiced ideas too, but it’s important to understand that AJ was originally a by-product of FD where rates were set in a way that benefited Flash authors more quickly than audio authors. There was no getting around that.

This was not originally a TV licensing stock audio joint. It was, by no fault of it’s own niche, a division of Flashden where multimedia guys and flash designers picked up audio for their works. The internet is a different beast entirely than the television industry.

In passing, have you had any luck on Taxi for TV placement?

Here, as anywhere, any change takes time. As this site hopefully matures and gains ground, I too can only trust in the best judgment of those in charge to retain its talent. And I do. I can’t say anything with certainty but I think we’ve been informed that some things will be changing.. sooner than later is the general hope. Time will tell.

One thing is certain, I am sure that HQ is not blind to the difference between attracting talent, and retaining it on a longer term, and I’m not disagreeing with you on many of your points. But there is a balance point for everyone.. The site needs to attract both buyers and authors, and still maintain itself as a worthwhile venture. Tricky trepidation if you ask me, but I’ll let HQ come to its own conclusions, while agreeing with you that a good number of your points have a lot of merit, imho.

So just hang in there, and see what comes of it over 2009.

Cheers man. You write great tunes :)

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ProTunes says

edit: my bad. when you said the internet and the tv industry are different. I didn’t appreciate that you meant internet people are not going to know how the tv side works. Sorry for coming off as kind of a doch ;)

Hey now, I know you. sup buddy?

Yes, I know aj didn’t start out being what it has become and I apreciate that. I’m not taking them to task for how things were or how they got here. It’s about how things are now.

I’m quite sure that neither the company nor the writers thought that tv people would come by for a look. In a sense, it’s the quality of the sight and the music that drive those upon high to visit and for all I know, purchase music and sound fx. I’m intimately familiar with the differences between internet models and the tv industry. I created one of the first sites for music to be used with flash called flashsound.com the internet may be a different beast but the fundamentals are the same. you could be selling music in Swabobia… the medium is irrelevant to the compensation.

And again, I know aj started out as a different thing entirly but, this is were we are now.

As for taxi and places like them. I think they are shady. You should not have to pay anyone to get your music placed. They need to be paying you. Most places I deal with take the music and try to place it, if it gets placed, then the fee is split and they take 25% of publishing. That’s how it’s done. For anyone interested, places like Riptide Music are entirely respectable and they don’t charge. I would encourage anyone who is interested in getting music on tv to contact them or people like them. They don’t sell music on the internet or anything like that, they just license.

But I digress. You are right though, retaining top flight talent will be difficult without terms that are fair. I’m hoping to see the changes that need to be made. If they are addressed, I will stay and continue to recommend audio jungle. If they are not then I’m outta here.

Hey Protunes,

Yeah, if I’m not mistaken, there is something in the pipes, as stated above.

I have in the past voiced ideas too, but it’s important to understand that AJ was originally a by-product of FD where rates were set in a way that benefited Flash authors more quickly than audio authors. There was no getting around that.

This was not originally a TV licensing stock audio joint. It was, by no fault of it’s own niche, a division of Flashden where multimedia guys and flash designers picked up audio for their works. The internet is a different beast entirely than the television industry.

In passing, have you had any luck on Taxi for TV placement?

Here, as anywhere, any change takes time. As this site hopefully matures and gains ground, I too can only trust in the best judgment of those in charge to retain its talent. And I do. I can’t say anything with certainty but I think we’ve been informed that some things will be changing.. sooner than later is the general hope. Time will tell.

One thing is certain, I am sure that HQ is not blind to the difference between attracting talent, and retaining it on a longer term, and I’m not disagreeing with you on many of your points. But there is a balance point for everyone.. The site needs to attract both buyers and authors, and still maintain itself as a worthwhile venture. Tricky trepidation if you ask me, but I’ll let HQ come to its own conclusions, while agreeing with you that a good number of your points have a lot of merit, imho.

So just hang in there, and see what comes of it over 2009.

Cheers man. You write great tunes :)

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