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curtisschweitzer says

The ProTools one sounds (to me) like its been better compressed/normalized, as you get a lot more presence from the PT version—I can hear the reflections from the reverb more clearly.

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lucafrancini Envato team says

I did some more tests, changing the panning law and even checking the steinberg power scheme box, but they still sound different.

While testing I realised that the staccato viola I was using was a Round Robin one, so I loaded a Violas Pizzicato (without round robin) and did another test: the difference is more evident to me:

Pizzicato in Cubase https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62567774/cubase%20pizzicato.wav
Pizzicato in Pro Tools https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62567774/pro%20tools%20pizzicato.wav

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soundroll says

I did some more tests, changing the panning law and even checking the steinberg power scheme box, but they still sound different.

While testing I realised that the staccato viola I was using was a Round Robin one, so I loaded a Violas Pizzicato (without round robin) and did another test: the difference is more evident to me:

Pizzicato in Cubase https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62567774/cubase%20pizzicato.wav
Pizzicato in Pro Tools https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62567774/pro%20tools%20pizzicato.wav
It sounds now very different. Interesting…
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gbiasillo says

From what I’ve seen, it’s not uncommon to use “some DAW” for composition and Pro Tools for mixing and mastering for this very reason: it simply sounds better.

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matsteiner Envato team says

From what I’ve seen, it’s not uncommon to use “some DAW” for composition and Pro Tools for mixing and mastering for this very reason: it simply sounds better.
Are you kiddin’? I heard from many professionals that they changed to Cubase because it sounds better. It seems to sound better with summing. So there has to be another reason. Maybe the plug in is just programmed different?
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lucafrancini Envato team says

To me this is not a matter of audio tracks mixing (I read about comparisons between daws with summing same audio tracks and there were no differences), but of plugin “reading” (vst, rtas). Tonight I’ll try other kontakt libraries and Omnisphere too (which has both samples and synthesized sounds) to see if it’s just the play engine or not :)

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tacoMusic says

Are you kiddin’? I heard from many professionals that they changed to Cubase because it sounds better. It seems to sound better with summing. So there has to be another reason. Maybe the plug in is just programmed different?

I know you’re a hardcore Cubase fan Mat, but I’m yet to find one person who says Cubase sounds better than Pro Tools when it comes to mixing and mastering. Every pro mixer I’ve worked with when going into studios like Angel Studios and Air Edel in London has mixed with Pro Tools and always says it helps them get the best sound available.

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Lmz says

Neither DAW sounds ‘better’. DAW’s are just tools and it’s how they are used that make the difference. I do think DAWs sound slightly different though. I bounce back and forth between Logic (sequencing) and Pro Tools (mixing) all the time. There’s the argument that they should be the same ‘sound’ because it’s digital but my ears aren’t convinced of that, at least in terms of realtime playback.

In the first examples you gave, check your pan law in cubase. Don’t match the number in PT though. Use your ears to find a setting that closely resembles the other. They probably won’t match. When I’m in Logic, I set the pan law to ‘0’ and for me that sounds a bit more like what I’d expect in PT (pan law in PT is at it’s standard of -3db).

In the second example, something is off because there shouldn’t be that much of a difference. Check out whatever audio settings/drivers you are using because there is a stark difference in frequency content. Also being EWQLSO, make sure you’re loading up the same mic position. Cubase example sounds like the stage mic and the PT sounds more like the close mic (possibly with the stage mic).

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lucafrancini Envato team says

I have silver orchestra so I have only stage mic (unfortunately) and there is no round robin involved in pizzicato patch.

I’ve just tried with two patch of Omnisphere: one only synth and one only sampled sound and there are no difference at all between Pro Tools and Cubase.

The only explanation that comes into my mind is that East West programmed its RTAS version in a slightly different way than VST (I’m not a programmer I don’t know how, why, where :D).

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matsteiner Envato team says


Are you kiddin’? I heard from many professionals that they changed to Cubase because it sounds better. It seems to sound better with summing. So there has to be another reason. Maybe the plug in is just programmed different?
I know you’re a hardcore Cubase fan Mat, but I’m yet to find one person who says Cubase sounds better than Pro Tools when it comes to mixing and mastering. Every pro mixer I’ve worked with when going into studios like Angel Studios and Air Edel in London has mixed with Pro Tools and always says it helps them get the best sound available.
lol, teh odl DAW war :D Yeah, indeed I’m a Cubase fan and I work with it as my main DAW since the SX version. Before I worked with Notator (not a DAW but a sequencer), Logic and Digidesign Session8 (the product before ProTools).

I totally agree with you that most Studios work with PT, but I disagree it’s really because of the sound but because it’s a studio standard.
I never compared it that deep myself to be able to say Cubase sounds better (I have PT10 too – and not a hacked version or something :) ) but I’ve read some interviews of really critical engineers ( one of them is working with making classical music) who changed from CB to PT and they say it sounds better, but it’s really possible that Lmz is right on that when he says, it doesn’t matter.
But except of Hans Zimmer (is he a Pro? :) ) I don’t remember the names anymore.

However, regarding the “sound”, for sure it doesn’t REALLY matter which DAW somebody uses…but much more how good the engineer will (or can) work with it.

And yes, like Luca mentioned, for sure it’s the RTAS version of EW doing something different than the VST version in this particular case.

So I’m glad to not have to change to PT as my main DAW to reach more sales here on AJ :P

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