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musicformedia says

Hi guys, Just wondering if there are currently any standards as to what bit rate is accepted for audio files?

I just noticed that I had two tracks on my profile which were actually 24bit, so most people couldn’t do much with them. I personally think, only 16bit tracks/audio files should be allowed as 24bit is pretty unusable by most programs.

Any thoughts?

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Solidbeats Envato team says

44.1 kHz wavs encoded to 128 Kbit/s mp3, that’s our minimum.

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musicformedia says

But most sites don’t actually allow you to upload 24bit files – they aren’t usable for a lot of people – just wondering if audiojungle knows that :)

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DanielKeller says

24bit? if it isn’t usable for people and the most sites it doesn’t allow… why should envato or audiojungle know that?

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musicformedia says
24bit? if it isn’t usable for people and the most sites it doesn’t allow… why should envato or audiojungle know that?

Sorry I don’t actually understand what you mean. If you are saying how would envato know that other sites don’t allow 24bit files, then I would say, because they have done market research, and know what the other websites out there like this one provide.

I’m not saying theres anything wrong with accepting 24bit, but a lot of people don’t know about the differences, and I’ve now had two clients so far upset because I provided them with 24bit tracks. Most programs for video editing won’t allow 24bit audio as its not supported, and as I’m sure a lot of buyers on here are using the audio they buy here, for video editing purposes, then they would be pretty upset.

I just think that maybe buyers need to be made a little more aware of the fact that 24bit won’t always work with their software, and make sellers aware that uploading 24bit audio is not advised if possible – or to at least convert to 16bit before uploading.

One last tiny point, and I honestly mean this in the nicest way possible. Our reviewers on audiojungle are absolutely awesome, and do great work reviewing the files when we upload. I’m not sure if they check the bit rate of the audio file, against what we have put into the description, as I’m after discovering a few of my files aren’t actually the correct bit rate that I put into the description – I honestly don’t mean anything bad by that at all – I just think bit rates need to be looked at a bit more in general on audiojungle, as I’m sure I’m not the only person who may have uploaded 24bit audio tracks on here, and then people download them and realise they can’t use them :)

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DanielKeller says

what I don’t understand is why you want to use 24-bit… whats exactly the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit (what i think the most use)?

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joshhunsaker says
what I don’t understand is why you want to use 24-bit… whats exactly the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit (what i think the most use)?

Recording/providing files rendered in 24 bits means there is more headroom and generally the provision for there to be less noise (theoretical minimum noise floor drops from -96dbfs for 16bit to something like -120dbfs). This is extremely important for work that is going to be reprocessed and remixed (overdub, foley, sound fx, even backing tracks for film which need volume adjustments) because even fx and editing processes that affect the scale of amplitude also affect how much of the low-level signal becomes noise and unrecognizable as sound.

24 bit files are not unusable by most programs. In fact, it’s really the opposite. Most editing, compositing, arrangement, and film and audio engineering programs that exist on any level above uber-cheesy and free (and even then) allow importing/conforming of files of 24bit depth, whether it be mp3’s, wav., aif, or other formats TBH . Even the cheap magix music studio allows use of 24 bit files and that’s about as elementary as audio editing programs come. Audacity (which is completely free for even commercial use) will handle up to 32bit floating point files in a huge variety of formats.

I would expect people paying $10 a file to have a clue when it comes to use and processing concerning higher bit depth files. I would not say that this site is primarily for use by those who don’t even know what “bit depth” means. That’s pretty rudimentary to creating any media based around an audio file. I’m just being honest.

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tomh says

AJ is very lax about the formats it allows compared to other stock sites i’ve worked with. Just upload what you’re happy with. If people have a problem opening your file, they will usually email you before requesting a refund, and you can point them towards the app they need or re-encode it for them or something.

If the filesize isn’t that big, you could always include multiple formats in your zip file – that could be a strong selling point!

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scottwills Envato team says

To answer the main question here and clear-up any confusion, AudioJungle accepts 16-bit audio files. This is required. Presently, the AudioJungle audience is most interested in and concerned with 16-bit audio and there is not enough demand for anything beyond this yet.

99.9% of you have been working with and uploading 16-bit audio all along, so there’s nothing to worry about here, you can continue uploading in the same way you’ve always been and all your existing audio in our library is great / good to go. :-)

But just to clarify for anyone wanting to upload audio in 24-bit or 32-bit format, you can, but (a) you MUST always include a 16-bit format version (this is mandatory), and (b) if you upload multiple versions, you MUST clearly label your files in your upload to ensure that customers know whether your files are 16-bit, 24-bit or 32-bit.

If you only upload in 16-bit format, that’s normal here, and you do not have to label your files in any special way. The sample rate you add when you upload your audio should address this issue anyway. For example, “44100 16-bit Stereo” is just one, acceptable way to correctly label your sample rate in order to let customers know about the audio you are selling.

If there is significant demand for buyers requesting 24-bit or 32-bit audio (and at the moment, there is not), there are some things we can do to accommodate this type of audio a little better, but for now, everything is working really well for authors and customers in 16-bit.

For anyone who currently has 24-bit or 32-bit files uploaded to AudioJungle, it would be in your best interest to ensure this is mentioned in your file description so as not to disappoint any customers.

We would be glad to clarify these issues in the upload instructions if the majority of you feel it would be useful, but it seems like our existing upload instructions have been working well for everyone up until now.

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musicformedia says
what I don’t understand is why you want to use 24-bit… whats exactly the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit (what i think the most use)?

Recording/providing files rendered in 24 bits means there is more headroom and generally the provision for there to be less noise (theoretical minimum noise floor drops from -96dbfs for 16bit to something like -120dbfs). This is extremely important for work that is going to be reprocessed and remixed (overdub, foley, sound fx, even backing tracks for film which need volume adjustments) because even fx and editing processes that affect the scale of amplitude also affect how much of the low-level signal becomes noise and unrecognizable as sound.

24 bit files are not unusable by most programs. In fact, it’s really the opposite. Most editing, compositing, arrangement, and film and audio engineering programs that exist on any level above uber-cheesy and free (and even then) allow importing/conforming of files of 24bit depth, whether it be mp3’s, wav., aif, or other formats TBH . Even the cheap magix music studio allows use of 24 bit files and that’s about as elementary as audio editing programs come. Audacity (which is completely free for even commercial use) will handle up to 32bit floating point files in a huge variety of formats.

I would expect people paying $10 a file to have a clue when it comes to use and processing concerning higher bit depth files. I would not say that this site is primarily for use by those who don’t even know what “bit depth” means. That’s pretty rudimentary to creating any media based around an audio file. I’m just being honest.

I agree, but a lot of smaller budget programs, which I presume a lot of people on here would be using, do not accept 24bit. Camtasia, and Adobe Audition being two – both quite popular. Not everyone has a clue about these things though either. I buy themes and templates from themeforest, and I buy flash files from flashden, but I don’t know exactly what is in them, how they are made etc.

Anyhoo, its all good, I was just curious as to AJ’s stance on it. I won’t name any other websites here, but two very large websites that I also sell music on don’t accept 24bit audio at all. That was the only reason I was curious as to AJ’s stance on it :)

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