Posts by tricoos

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tricoos says

Thanks for all of your replies and input. Here is some more feedback from me:

@Symphony-of-Specters: Whoops, you’re actually talking to a customer, yeah, I’ve made you a few bucks! You’re writing “So tell me tricoos, how much would you actually spent for a song? $1? Or still too expensive??” I wrote that in my posts – between $25 and $50 (just as it once was).

@all: You’re constantly telling me that this site is about professional music then why isn’t the extended license price displayed by default but the price most users don’t have to pay? An option to switch the display in the user settings would be great. Sometimes I’ve listened to a song and wanted to purchase it but no extended license was available. That’s really a bad experience to find out when you’re ready to buy.

@cleanmindsounds: Agree.

@musicant: You’re talking about other sites being much more expensive but I know many sites where it’s cheaper. I think it’s about 50/50. I just don’t know many sites where there is such a wealth of different composers.

@garethcoker: You’re asking “Who decides what goes where?” regarding AJ PRO . I’d say “(potential) customers by rating”.

@scottwills: I don’t think I’ve been disrespectful of authors or saying that AJ appeals to amateurs only. I actually don’t like the way you’re talking to me as a customer especially an AJ staff member. “being disrespectful to authors” – you wouldn’t say that to a customer, would you?

I’m trying to be as objective as possible and I’m keeping emotions out of the equation.

Regarding capitalism. you’re enforcing a “the AJ state defines the prices” strategy and telling me “AudioJungle is capitalism!” and then writing “We elect not to do that [letting composers set the price] here on AudioJungle presently because there’s some historical evidence on other sites that has shown that “name your own pricing” forces prices down and down and down”. Yes, that’s what we actually call capitalism. That’s how it works: fierce competition and the prices go down.

I’m just wondering that (almost) nobody talks about my comparison of AJ to iStockphoto. Just as there is a market for cheap royalty-free stock photos there is as market for cheap(er) royalty-free music. And that’s where I saw AJ two years ago.

I’m sure other websites like this one will appear that will drive the prices down because that’s just how a free-market economy works. So I suggest you (AJ) better think about this now.

Anyway, thanks again for your feedback. I’m not taking any of that personally because I know that talking about money is, well, challenging ;)

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tricoos says

@soundroll: Sorry, I’m not working on behalf of any clients, I’m talking about the products I’m creating myself. These are either online videos or multimedia products / video courses. Not blockbusters you’re going to see in the cinema (and Danny Elfman is not on audiojungle I think ;)

Just think about the fact that not all customers on this site are created equal. They come from a wealth of different backgrounds and industries and have different products and requirements. I actually don’t know if customers like me are in the majority or in the minority.

Of course websites offering music with “pay once, use forever” are available and if you don’t remember that’s how it was here on audiojungle as well at the beginning. http://www.google.com/search?q=royalty-free+music+pay+once+use+forever

And sorry about that $100, that’s been a music pack, I’d have to pay $70 for a single song for a single project.

@garethcoker: “ProScores … hundreds of other people are using”? 904 sales for a single title on audiojungle: http://audiojungle.net/category/music?sort_by=sales_count&type=files&page=1&categories=music

So that’s really not an argument.

Thanks for your feedback on this.

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tricoos says

Thanks for your feedback so far. Regarding the revenue share: I’d love to buy songs directly from the composer so why don’t you set up your own website and sell the songs there as well (or exclusively) and use something like AdWords to advertise for it?

As I mentioned before I see audiojungle more as the iStockphoto of royalty-free music which for me would translate to amateurs and semi-professionals here on that site. I know that there are many professionals here but I wouldn’t expect it because the music quality here is somewhat mixed with many great tracks but some that just don’t sound that professional. However, it simply doesn’t matter because the price is the same :( I think most composers here don’t make a living from the songs offered here – or is that a false impression?

Maybe Envato should create an “audiojungle pro” to distinguish it from the rest which might then charge a premium price.

Also, audiojungle just can’t compete with products like these (which I actually purchased a couple of months ago) and which is totally awesome: http://www.videocopilot.net/products/proscores/

@vaisnava: Please don’t blame me for the revenue share offered here by envato. As I already mentioned I’d like to buy songs directly from the composer.

The worst experience here on audiojungle for me is that I can literally spend hours here trying to find a suitable song. That’s because there is no real search for length, looping, price, sales etc. You can only sort but you can’t say “I’m looking for a song that has been rated with at least 3 stars, has been purchased at least once, is between 25 and 30 seconds and doesn’t loop” -> impossible!

Thanks again for your feedback, I’m appreciate it and like to get more of your thoughts on it.

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tricoos says

When I purchased (i.e. licensed) the first music track here a couple of years ago it was really really cheap especially because I could use the music in an unlimited number of commercial projects.

Now this place has only become a very expensive licensing site. Remember: by paying e.g. $100 for licensing a single song you can use it in one commercial project only!

Which kind of customers would you like to have? For me audiojungle was the iStockphoto of music but then the price became so high that it’s just not worth the value for me. You see I’m not a professional video maker but if I were I’d get the production music from somewhere else just as I’d probably use expensive GettyImages photos directly instead of using their low-budget iStockphoto site if that were the case.

But I’m not an amateur either but producing videos for my own websites and currently working on a physical video product.

What I find very weird is that the site seems to aim at the amateur market because the standard license whose price is advertised everywhere is of interest only for private users and a single commercial video ad. This is very misleading.

The best solution for this would be to let capitalism rule: let the producer define the price and license, don’t set prices automatically based on the length of the music – this is at least as it appears to me. If I’m wrong with this impression please correct me.

So I’m now going to find another site offering great music (which this site really has! I love the music and could listen to it for hours!) for a lower price. You see I’m not telling you “I’d like to pay $5 for a 10-minute song and would like to use it on as many commercial projects as I like” but something like “I’d like to pay a $25 license fee for using a single song in as many commercial projects as I like” – that would be something where I’d use audiojungle forever. Something like a $25 fee for use in a single project would be somewhat acceptable but I really wouldn’t cheer about that. I’d still be on the lookout for cheaper music.

Thanks for reading and when replying please keep in mind that I’m a customer who you probably would like to sell to ;)

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tricoos says

As I am already used to more and more restrictions on licenses whenever I come back to the site what Envato cannot legally do is change licenses after purchasing.

I have licensed some content from Envato marketplaces (video & audio) under different licenses. As most of the people here know the license has changed several times within the last months.

However now all my files show “Regular Licence” even though I purchased them under different licenses! Could you please restore the correct license information for each purchase I have made?

The old licenses I purchased under are still legally binding yet they have been replaced all by “Regular Licence” which is wrong.

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tricoos says

Thanks for posting the video here.

I’m actually the one who licensed the music and created the video :-)

The video actually contains five items from the Envato Marketplaces: - Logo Intro 5 by leto - Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde by gabemiller - Hellseeker GFX Package - Splatter Megapack by frayquatum - Metallic Hit from scottwills

Glad you like it! There is even another video up and running now using the same items and more will be coming soon as a preparation for the Halloween season.

Keep up the good work!

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tricoos says

Thanks for your quick replies. I already contacted the support but they’re not available on the weekend – and as Envato is from Australia it’s been too late when I sent the message but I need this info for the weekend so thanks for your replies! :-)

My current problem has now been resolved through your very detailed replies so I can just buy (license) two songs from AudioJungle right now.

But it still means if you’re creating many different projects (still not for a client but for your own business) it might be cheaper to use normal royalty-free songs from other sources, right? You should really improve the license with this regard. In my opinion it’s the right way to restrict the license to one project for client use. But for using it in your own projects… well, you whould think about that.

The problem is: what if the transition contains 8 different transitions (like this one: http://videohive.net/item/splatter-megapack/44403) and I’m only using one transition in one project – am I allowed to use the other 7 transitions in 7 different projects?

Anyways, I still think that the Envato marketplace is a goldmine – just like iStockphoto or Fotolia with regard to photos (you need to catch up on that ;-)). When I finally found these websites a whole new way of creativity was possible without investing large sums of money.

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tricoos says

Well,

I have actually bought (sorry, licensed) many videos and some audios from Envato. However with the new licenses it’s not only unclear, I think it’s even way too expensive.

I’m licensing content here for my own personal (read: business) projects – doing nothing for any client, just for my own websites, videos etc.

As far as I understand I am only allowed to use a file (like an audio) in a single project. But what’s a project? I’m currently beginning to create a video series that’ll be available for viewing online for free (and maybe later available on a DVD , I haven’t decided yet).

If I’m using a music I licensed as a jingle or as background music as far as I understand I need to buy a license per video (as it’s a single project). So if I’ll be creating 10 videos and each license costs $8 I’d need to pay $80, right? Even if each video runs just 3-5 minutes? But I could just go to some royalty-free music sites and get the same (or even better) content for less than half the price. Why should I use AudioJungle anymore at all? Do I need to decide before even beginning whether it might be too expensive to license from Envato if the video series becomes too successful?

Has it really become illegal to license music here once for my own projects and use it in several of my own projects? Is it even possible technically to buy (and rate!) the same file multiple times?

The same applies to videos of course – if I’m forced to pay a sum of $60 for a 1-second video transition which costs $3 I’m using in 20 projects it doesn’t make sense anymore from an economic standpoint.

This reminds me of rather old-school licensing like Gettyimages whose cheap and very successful competitor is now iStockphoto with a very relaxed licensing (pay once, use often).

An urgent clarification is needed!

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tricoos says

@Slats: this depends on what you are. I am not a professional broadcaster – I am just a guy using content from envatos websites for my own commercial websites so I don’t pay any regular fee whatsoever to any PRS . And I don’t want to.

Just remember that here are many different people buying content ;-)

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tricoos says

Hmmm… that would be wonderful for envato if I’d buy everything in my bookmark list – it’s huge ;-) But actually I personally don’t need that feature however if it’s implemented it’s no problem for me.

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