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tacoMusic
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...it is a strong argument for adrev though – i know in past threads i was not a supporter, but i think it illustrates the need for using a system like that to help protect your rf work.

Come over to the dark side, it’s warm and sunny here (well, maybe not sunny).

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The big problem is of course that all the big RF sites use Adwords themselves, and they have more money than you. Therefore, they will outbid you on the relevant keywords or you will spend way too much money.

That’s true, although going niche is the only way to get good results with ads isn’t it? What I mean to say is that going for ‘royalty free music’ will be fruitless because of the high competition whereas something like ‘east ugandan bluegrass background music’ would attract a very specific type of customer (granted, maybe it’s not the one you’re hoping for!).


I’m hesitant to state my opinions here because I noticed a very distinct relationship between me speaking my mind here on AJ and my sales falling by more than 50% in one day and continuing ever since.

Dry like a cat’s eye since I started this thread, maybe I was a bit too hasty saying that was just conspiracy talk eh Paul! Ha ha!

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I’m trying Google AdWords for the first time. Only spending 5 € / day. I started four days ago and so far no conversion. I have more page views, but no sales. When I reach 25 euros (tomorrow) they give me 75 for free, and no longer will invest more because not profitable. I wanted to do a test, and it so far does not work for me.

From my (limited) knowledge of Google Ads, it’s important to carefully choose your keywords, bidding level and target demographic otherwise you end up showing ads to completely disinterested people and / or spending lots. In terms of getting traffic and conversions, Google Adwords can be highly successful according to a few interviews I’ve read, but it’s about finding a formula that works.

As for referrals, that’s disappointing to learn that prestashopthemes, I would have thought there would be more incentives to refer people than that.

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I’m hesitant to state my opinions here because I noticed a very distinct relationship between me speaking my mind here on AJ and my sales falling by more than 50% in one day and continuing ever since.

I used to think the same Paul, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case despite things like a drop in sales occasionally coinciding with being open about one’s opinions / feelings. It’s easy for us to get onto the conspiracy highway when there are no clear answers, I’ve been there many times!

But with respect to breaking out of this earnings limit, I sometimes wonder if it’s about some external factors like increasing referrals via advertising. I find it intriguing that one track can be a top seller with almost identical tags and descriptions to another of equal quality (if not better), yet the latter track doesn’t get a look in. Are these authors using Google Advertising to boost views and conversions? Do they use other services to pump traffic to that track? I’m pretty sure there’s something else at work than just appearing in organic search results via AJ…


Kick it on a tropical island for a few weeks drinking pina coldas and sales go though the roof.. Makes no sense.

Just booking my ticket now! Maybe I should kick it on a tropical island with my mum and I’ll have a top seller by the end of the week?

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Good evening / afternoon / morning fellow Junglers…... I have read this thread with great interest and I wish to share my thoughts on the matter. A glass ceiling for sales – yes I probably have one it seems and yes I would like to devote more time to music but the reality is I can’t at the moment. I love music, music is everything and I love creating it. Can a portfolio ever be big enough – well no since an idea brings about another idea for a track. Is the music I do useable? I hope so but I just love doing the noise and chaos that I come up with. We have to be in this for the long term and dispense with the idea that we (me) will not get rich from this but oh boy do I like the trip it is taking me on! :)

Your music is definitely usable Graham and well-crafted. In my opinion, you should have far more sales for the size of your portfolio which really makes me think we have ‘salaries’ here.

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tacoMusic
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Lost time – it lost money.

Exactly. This is my problem with mass uploading instead of crafting the best music you can and marketing it. I’ve done the mass uploading thing and it doesn’t work in my opinion. The rewards are maybe slightly better over time in terms of sales, but let’s be honest, they really are not relative to your efforts.

I would rather work hard on 50 tracks than churn out 500 and know that everything my customers come across in my portfolio is usable, high quality stock music. The question that is hard to answer (and will most likely not be shared here!), is what is most worth putting your efforts into: marketing / building your own customer base, or relying on a system whose mechanics we have no understanding of (AJ’s search for example)?

I’ve gone for marketing, but while it’s working outside of Envato, it doesn’t seem to work here? Confusing. Anyway, thank you for the answers, I think prestashop is spot on that Envato will continue to make sales with their current setup regardless as we are all dreamers at the end of the day :)

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tacoMusic
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Either way, AJ will sell lots of licenses and as long as the numbers are displayed people with dreams will continue uploading. Veteran authors will continue uploading for fear of losing a huge income.

That’s a very good point. But unfortunately, what you described just there is the ‘musician’s lottery’ which really leaves me wondering what the odds are that it will be me one day! I have a friend who calls the lottery ‘fool’s tax’, starting to feel like he’s right…

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tacoMusic
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I’d just like to add one more thing. Quantity…Once you have about 100 decent items online you should be able to see a difference.

That’s interesting you mention quantity. While I agree that you need a certain number of tracks to bring in customers / keep a presence here, I’ve found that actually pruning back the tracks that haven’t sold well had no detrimental effect on my sales. In fact, I actually experienced a slight increase when I did that (then obviously returned back to my ‘allocated salary’), lol.

I’ve also seen authors do very well with small portfolios – like UJ mentioned, getting a ‘hit’ is for sure a good way of breaking out of this endless cycle, but it doesn’t mean the other tracks in your portfolio benefit:


There are good selling authors with just these 1-2-3 Hits which sells and sells. And when you have a look on their portfolios you’ll notice that all other tracks are also quite lost in the jungle.

What I don’t understand is why something like this would be built into AJ as it destroys your perseverance as a veteran author. Why would I continue uploading strong material if it’s just ignored and I get the same earnings month-in-month-out here regardless?

It means I end up putting my efforts into other marketplaces because I’m actually rewarded for it there. Strange, you would have thought they’d want it the other way round, particularly for such a community-focused business model where more experienced authors can help newer ones…

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tacoMusic
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Thanks for the responses. Yes, I expect the search is quite an important factor, but it seems difficult to get higher up it so I have generally been opting for external marketing more. I’ll try revisiting my tags and descriptions and see if that will push me out of this sales bracket.

@Toivo, you’re absolutely right, that banner doesn’t say anything so I’ll change it to something a bit more clear and attractive! However, I’m pretty sure no one looks at my profile page! :)

Is it just me then, or have other people noticed a general trend of earning the same thing for months on end?

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tacoMusic
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I’ll keep this brief as I know people dislike negativity in the forums, but I’ve been here a long time now and I really can’t break out of this ‘earnings threshold’ that seems to shackle me. Tried uploading regularly, internal and external promotion, honing in to popular styles as well experimenting with niche styles, yet month in month out, it’s more or less the same earnings.

I genuinely feel like I’m on a salary here at AJ which is great in the sense it’s regular, but not very motivational (!) if you’re efforts are not reflected in your earnings / sales.

To keep this constructive, has anyone else experienced the same thing and recommend some things to try? I’m non-exclusive and my sales seem to scale with my efforts on other marketplaces, but not here. It’s one of the reasons I’ve not become exclusive to be honest.

Thanks,

Taco

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