great idea – that would be good, re the 3d source linked zip in the txt help file
right – it’s simply best to continue to have editable AE projects and no prerenders as the main thing… and of course you can get stunning 3d type effects, as in the bestselling ‘hot titles’ project here, which I really really like:
most of the issue around 3d modeled prerenders is, for example if you create something like boxes or arrows or whatever in C4d/max, it would be important to be able to modify those, speaking as a buyer… vs being stuck with a standard size… so for example you can’t really colorize or change widths of the arrows/design elements, if it’s in a static prerendered mov that’s dropped into an ae project for sale… so for those that do offer prerendered projects, it would be very useful to at least include in the .zip the original source c4d/max file, so that those of us who do want to modify and rerender the 3d mov element out, can do so.
great points re difficulty of camera work in ae … it’s so much easier to use the native cameras in max and c4d … would be great if everything could be done in ae vs hybrids… though some of the very best motion gfx projects ever (like troika.tv’s espn logos come to mind), look like they’re done in c4d and likely composited in ae. so there’s definitely interest there from me and likely others who can use all the software, to buy and use these types of projects… I’m just asking hey give me the source for those that do have prerendered c4d/max elements, so I can modify the entire template… which is fair (and sure I can pay a bit more up to double even, to get all sources).
agree 110% w/Mark’s point though, they must be insanely busy around here reviewing all the files, posting them, managing users/authors (hats off to you guys, it would drive me bonkers trying to keep up the super pace you have here, with all the details! I’m impressed at your guys’ work ethic, it’s like mine), to have to add 3d file reviews to the mix of stuff to do.
anyways, just a humble request to consider somehow including All sources for the templates sold here, as a buyer I don’t buy prerendered projects for that reason, though some are really good. and also note I’m probably the oddball and am in the tiny minority of other buyers are video fanatics like me who use all the tools, so it’s probably not worth VHs time to accomodate that request, unless a customer survey supports it w/enough numbers… as a business decision etc.
anyways, great job from everyone – I continue to be amazed, impressed and grateful to have such a superb marketplace here to buy from.
all valid points – which is why I don’t like prerendered projects…. great ae artists, like your projects Andy, and others by elements/plamen/inlife etc, don’t have prerendered nonmodifyable elements.
at least, I’d suggest having a separate category for “hybrid” ae/prerendered projects, so they’re not included in the main/normal ae project category, since they can’t be fully modified, like true ae projects can be…
hi, sure right re sources for c4d/maya/max, could be priced a bit higher.
to me, main thing is, a project template should include all sources. otherwise it would be like buying an xml-driven flash template, that doesn’t include the .fla source… yes it’ll still work, but isn’t fully modifiable.. which is why we all buy templates in the first place, is to be able to fully modify everything…
great job on this, super for sales for authors…
hi flashato, right… I’m “on a mission” to discourage prerenders since they can’t be modified… or at least, if they’re used, the author should be required to include the c4d/max/maya/whatever source, so us veterans can modify the entire template, not what’s just added in ae, via the 3d program…. it’s best though to avoid prerenders altogether, since it limits the users’ ability to modify the project… (camera angles, colors, width of elements, etc)...
btw some of the Best project video files I’ve used, are c4d/max 3d projects (that’s how ESPN does their logos, what troika.tv uses I’m guessing, and others…for station logos/idents; ones I’d bought from a good vfx artist)... so they’re definitely great to have, and I’d like to see c4d broadcast-style projects for sale, perhaps as a separate category… it’s just selling prerendered movs as part of AE projects that’s not very useful, since they can’t be modified in any way… including the source, makes for a complete project, which is great.
I think that all projects sold that have prerendered objects, should also be required to include the c4d/max/whatever source file, so that they can be modified, since these are templates.
I dislike prerendered projects, and seldom if ever buy them. I need total creative control.
Otherwise, one couldn’t change the widths, background size, camera angle or anything else, if you have to just put your content into ae on top of a static video of a prerender.
Mark, authors/buyers, what do you all think?
I think if the project just comes with a big multi-megabyte .mov file and an aep that just allows text/vid on top of a prerendered movie, at least the file should also include the c4d/max file, for those of us who need total creative control over it.
A lot like, if something has OF/lens flares/knoll, most authors include BOTH a prerender version And an aep that includes the references to the plugins, for those that have them … similarly I’d like to suggest that VH require that authors that submit projects with fixed prerendered movies, also at least be required to include the source c4d/max so we can modify what we’re buying (which is the purpose of a template-type site).
p.s. I have probably bought more aep templates than anyone else in the world (really!) across here and other sites… so as the world’s top aep buyer (I think, lol), at least that’s my vote.
agree scott, makes sense… thanks for the update
Just a quick request/idea here—I really like the way “elements” splits out his projects by intro/main/outro aeps, in addition to an all in one aep project file… like he did for this great one:
http://videohive.net/item/noctem/92839 (there’s a intro.aep + main.aep + outro.aep + scene.aep in the .zip)
It would be great if others could consider that approach as well…
I don’t know about other buyers, but me personally, I never use an entire project file the way it comes, I’ll select out individual specific precomps/pieces of individual projects to render and use, for my final production videos (in fact I usually will take an intro logo from one file, and maybe use that alone, or add it to a video display box from yet another project, etc, so my final “mix” is a hybrid).
So having it organized/split into precomp aeps as well as the main full one, is a big help. Otherwise I’ve got to specify for example the start/end seconds while doing ‘make movie’ from composition command inside ae, which may be hard for newbies to do, and is a bit of extra work for me… just an idea.. not a big deal, but it really increases the ‘usability’ of the projects, to have individual precomps/parts of the video available as standalone aeps to use, the way “elements” has thoughtfully done.