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They have been policing the known offenders. You and I both know that people do it anyway.

No you don’t know people do it, if you did know you would report them, you’re just speculating that it’s occurring. We don’t know if or how many are breaking the rules, but there is enough eyes on the marketplace watching to spot these things, it’s very obvious when an item has an usual sales trend – the community report these things quickly.


And now that there is added incentive for authors to do it with these bulk purchases, combined with the fact that authors are making more money now than ever and it will continue to grow, if Envato doesn’t adjust their policies past the “don’t buy your own items” in the TOS, then it’s only going to get worse.
Bulk orders are still going to be a rare event, and they’re usually very large orders which means only people with the funds will be able to use them to manipulate the system. Envato is going to check these deals carefully – its a high risk gamble not worth the consequences.

I trust Envato as much as I can, but I’m not blind enough to think that they will do everything in their power to prevent fraud, even though they would benefit from it financially either way. And especially since “everything in their power” should involve removing bulk sales from the top files list, but that is not being done. The only thing that’s being done at the moment is silencing any opposition, which doesn’t look good.

Like I said before – there’s enough eyes watching the marketplace, the community will spot any foul play and so will Envato. People were being silenced because they were speculating and attacking the ingenuity of an author. Envato stated, they’ve checked that deal thoroughly – but people keep implying otherwise. Where does one draw the line?

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digitalscience
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So, rather than just resolve the issue altogether (as best we can) by removing bulk sales from the top files list, people are actually advocating that we leave the policing of this situation in the hands of the very entity that stands to profit from every bulk sale?

Envato has been policing and banning anyone who buys their own items for years now. So let’s not imply they’ll now look the other with bulk orders, anyone who breaks the rules will get banned.

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“I’m not sure why some think buying their way to the top is actually going to be beneficial ” You’re seriously suggesting being in the top isn’t beneficial? That is where your whole premise falls down. It is indeed beneficial to be in the top, and it will actually create more sales.
Being at the top is beneficial for exposure, but buying your way to the top isn’t financially beneficial. What you lose is more than what you gain, plus its high risk as you will get banned and lose everything you worked for.
This is speculation and not fact. It would seem people disagree. People would apparently risk it. People would believe it would actually be profitable. So whether you are right is besides the point; people will risk it, and it could very well work out for them. I’d rather not give anyone the chance.

Well it’s just my opinion, I have had files at number 1 for the week many times on AD – so speaking from experience I know the top spot is beneficial to exposure, but I also know it doesn’t make it easier to stay there, you still have to work hard to stay ahead. You have to build a real following with a good product, you can’t artificially buy your way there and expect to stay there. In the end it’s about what you’re selling, not your sales number.

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digitalscience
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“I’m not sure why some think buying their way to the top is actually going to be beneficial ” You’re seriously suggesting being in the top isn’t beneficial? That is where your whole premise falls down. It is indeed beneficial to be in the top, and it will actually create more sales.

Being at the top is beneficial for exposure, but buying your way to the top isn’t financially beneficial. What you lose is more than what you gain, plus its high risk as you will get banned and lose everything you worked for.

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digitalscience
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I’m not sure why some think buying their way to the top is actually going to be beneficial – it won’t create sustainable sales, only a temporary exposure boost. As we have seen with legit bulk orders, it does not have a lasting effect, the gains from exposure would be small compared to the 30% – 50% loss if someone was actually buying their own items. The only way it could possibly work is, if you have a huge amount of starting capital, and a lot of time to spread out each order. But before you even see any real sustainable gains, either you’re going to be broke, or it will be painfully obvious you’re gaming the system that you’ll get banned. So it would be a really stupid move to even attempt to buying your way to the top. The only way to the top and to stay there is with real sales from real customers.

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I think it’s healthy for the marketplace, because being top for the week isn’t as secured as it was before using the usual methods such as paying for advertising, where who ever has the biggest budget can dominate – this was leading things open to monopolization. Now there is a new avenue, where you have to put on your business suit and think like a corporate to make those big deals. So this will help shake things up at the top, so no one gets too comfortable – and will also help cycle themes in the top list more frequently – this will give more authors a time to shine at the top spot.
You’re still ignoring any possibility of corruption. And assuming Envato can catch every instance of it is naive. Much larger industries are unable to catch it, but what they ARE able to do is adjust their policies so as not to encourage it in the first place.

There is a possibility but is it worth the risk, since there will be “quick consequences” if found breaking the rules – sure authors might get greedy and try buy their way to the top but it will be at their own peril, plus all their competitors will be watching closely.

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digitalscience
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I thought that was the idea here :) I think this is just natural progression of the marketplace, freelancers become authors, authors become businesses, those businesses work with other businesses and so on.
IMO the beauty of this marketplace was that everybody (be it company or an individual) could enter it and make millions. It’s a shame to hear that you’re welcoming TF transformation into a rich snob club..

I think it’s healthy for the marketplace, because being top for the week isn’t as secured as it was before using the usual methods such as paying for advertising, where who ever has the biggest budget can dominate – this was leading things open to monopolization. Now there is a new avenue, where you have to put on your business suit and think like a corporate to make those big deals. So this will help shake things up at the top, so no one gets too comfortable – and will also help cycle themes in the top list more frequently – this will give more authors a time to shine at the top spot.

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digitalscience
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@digitalscience, your advice sounds like “Don’t be poor! Earn more!” :)

I thought that was the idea here :) I think this is just natural progression of the marketplace, freelancers become authors, authors become businesses, those businesses work with other businesses and so on.

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digitalscience
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A sale is a sale, whether as single or in bulk. Instead of chasing individual customers, work with other businesses who have an audience to sky rocket your sales.

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But that member is employed by you, so he works for your company. The buyer must be separate from your business – a 3rd party, ie you don’t pay them and they don’t work for you. Read businesses giving away items for free / prizes

So…a friend, then? A brother? An uncle? A friend of a friend that has no affiliation to you, but is willing to buy enough of your items (on your behalf) in order to catapult you into the top files list?

There’s absolutely nothing preventing people with enough money from doing this right now, and no way for Envato to prove that an author paid someone to do it.

Ok, ask your uncle to buy 2000 licences for $50 – you’ll go to number 1 for the week, maybe gain 10% extra sales being at the top spot on the popular page, then next week your item will drop down the popular page, until it’s off. Your uncle just spent $100 000, and you made $70 000 + $7000 in extra sales – between you, you just lost $23 000 – a quarter percent loss, doesn’t sound like a good investment – but if you know people with money to burn, then go for it ;)

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