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today I sat down with a client. Picked out 1 website template, a few scripts from code crayon and several pieces of print media. I convinced them to buy it all. I went to log into my account and pick up the items and I was met with a “unusual sign in” which forced me to verify by email. So I then go to log into my email which is a GMAIL account and a pass-code was sent to my cell phone by text message. My cell phone is DEAD. So of course your absurd process which is over zealous, unnecessary, and quite frankly annoying and useless in one fell swoop both prevented me from spending money with you and also made me look like an idiot.

SO WHAT if I am signing into my envato account from a new location or device, its even more absurd to think that if that IS the case that I would want to sign into even MORE things to grab an email code?!?

I want you to know this feature is dumb. turn it off. If you are interested in security use what the rest of the web uses, FAILED LOG IN ATTEMPTS.

This lost you money today and also makes me less likely to want to present your product to clients if you are going to do absurd unreliable things like that.

Of course I eventually got into my own account, but not before the sale was lost and I was made to look incompetent.

I prefer to think the appropriate course of action is to FIRE the person who came up with that idea. If anyone agrees please state “YEA” below and lets vote down this inconsiderate bumble pretending to be a feature.

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So , buyers , how do you buy..?
2 ways
A: send clients here and have them choose a template which looks the way they want, then we buy and build
B: test / check everything, (except the back end, which IS A BIG PROBLEM because we never get to see the back end). I view the source code, the CSS, the JS and look to see if its sane, the same way you might pop the hood on a used car. I then take the site to
http://validator.w3.org/
and http://www.w3.org/2003/12/semantic-extractor.html
Then I pop open IE tester and check IE 7, 8, 9. Then I pop open Adobe browser shots and check older versions of FF, CH, and SAFARI. to see how much of a headache I am going to have in fixing it. then I head over to the author page for that item and see how many comments are negative, I read through the problems people have and then get an idea of what I am dealing with. However, as of late, I can see through some of the BS that’s happening with FAKE COMMENTS AND FAKE REVIEWS. (note to authors: we developers can see through that kind of thing and its no boon to your credibility when we see a comment that says “thank you, very good template, we like. it work good.” irrespective of the ‘commenter purchased this template sticker’ - c’mon man that’s BS and we know it, stop having your friends rate you.)



Considering which criterias..?
In no specific order: Design, web standards, code compliance, SEO, semantic markup, ease of use, browser compatibility, and compare that to my final use spec sheet. (yes, I make a spec sheet prior to selecting a template)


Are you (or CAN you) using the SEARCH option..?
yes, its not as useful as the category selection. For the love of god I hope and pray ThemeForest leaves this as is, its perfect and useful.



What makes you buy from the same author again and again , and vice versa..?

Absolutely nothing, I have never found an author that I “prefer” many seem to copy off of each-other including copying the FLAW, yes, I have indeed found the SAME errors and mistakes copied into templates from different authors. I look ONLY at the product, not the author name.



What features you want (or do not want) to see at the marketplaces..?

QUALITY CONTROL: http://themeforest.net/forums/thread/quality-control-/87013

essentially, here is what I would like to rely on as a consumer:
1- when an author uploads a template I want to know that someone from themeforest actually opened that template, installed it and most importantly, went through the documentation one line at a time and made 100% sure that documentation was
A: sane
B: readable and accurate
C: actually works as claimed by the author
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I agree with you, enough of no 100% theme function. We all win with that control. In first buy, thought that already has a control. If it that easy, i will try to do a theme my self xD
wow… I now see how deep the rabbit hole is. perhaps this idea of quality control is also one of international community control as well. Either that or our own educational system has failed us here in the USA.
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Unless discrepancies are the new “thing” now, some themes are not reviewed in dept.

CSS stuff is not the core issue here so much as template functionality. I could care less if we are 2px off on a button class, however, the proper syntax, validation, seems more important to me. One possible solution might be to earn the “validated at” badge? Always nice to see the green box with “100% valid XHTML Strict 1.0” on it.

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BTW, did you mean Templatemonster?
yep. lol
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Having been a member for nearly 3 years now there are some really amazing things you have done here, no doubt about it! However, QUALITY CONTROL is not one of those things.

essentially, here is what I would like to rely on as a consumer:
1- when an author uploads a template I want to know that someone from themeforest actually opened that template, installed it and most importantly, went through the documentation one line at a time and made 100% sure that documentation was
A: sane
B: readable and accurate
C: actually works as claimed by the author


Intended result: the person at themeforest should be able to make that template look like the one advertised without doing any imports, right out of the box by following the set up instructions. If they can not then the theme should be REJECTED, or at the very least rated for the items above.

Example: you open the theme and it does not install properly, the documentation is not clear and you were not able to easily make the theme look like the one advertised might be rated like so:
A: Sanity: 0% FAIL (took over 20 hours to install)
B: readable and accurate: 10% POOR
C: actually works as claimed by the author: 15% POOR
D: validation: HTML : 250 Errors | CSS: 50 Errors -according to w3c validator
E: security: vulnerable, uses scripts which make the site easy to hack (note: this means that TF would need real web developers on staff to review of course…)
F: Overall: F- low grade
Notes: fails all of googles page optimization tests, documentation is not well defined, could not turn features on or off, too much inline CSS and Javascript, incompatibility issues, no regard for web standards.

The other thing I see ALLOT of is authors adding in an absurd number of features, or no useful features. Let me give 2 examples:

EX 1- ABSURD number of features:
we bought a commerce template recently, The author added support for multiple commerce plugins and then tried to compensate, the result was an absurd number of sidebars one for each plugin, too many TPL options to make any sense, bad semantic markup, and poor javascripting from too many incompatible scripts to the point that the admin panel features stopped working unless the theme was turned off making it basically useless. He then decided that adding every single HEX color option into the option tree AND including a cache plugin was somehow a “sane idea” and the result was a giant mess.

EX 2- NO features:
we bought a news template recently, there was a ton of stuff hard-coded into the template that make it basically useless. The author decided that he would hardcode the taxonomy into the template, so when we went to change the MUSIC category into MOVIES it could not be done without rewriting the entire backed taxonomy, in addition, there were NO features that allowed this to be changed and all the PHP vars were stuffed into the template in a way that also meant we had to rewrite every single database query. The documentation was BS copied from Wordpress.com and only showed how to use wordpress and not the template, useless.



In closing: this is an awesome community, my experience has mostly been positive, however, it only takes one bad apple… I would like to see the TF product be better than awesome, I would like to see it become a WEB STANDARD haven instead of a mad rush for authors to cash in on poorly coded nice looking templates. (please do not become the next thememonster… you are so close to being the best theme site on the web, take it all the way!!! wooooo!)

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