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Hi all! We’ve published a post on Market Blog addressing some of the issues that have come up in this thread. I thought to make it a single blog post so it was a bit easier to find later. And I’ve connected it back to this thread so the conversation can continue.

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Hey amris, great questions. Yes to changing price over time. Effectively that means you could discount at any time and show the discount through the images you use (the 80×80 and 590 preview images). Creating bundles – interesting question. Let me talk to the review team.

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Hello! We’ve just put out an announcement on Market Blog about a change to how Pricing will work on the Fonts category.

Read all about it over here

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Hi, why my additional message (invoice footer) is not showing on the invoices?

Hi mpc,

The footer only appears on invoices where the buyer and the seller (author) are from the same country. It is always the author’s footer copy that shows on the document.

I hope that helps!

Cheers, Ronja
Why is that? It would really make things easier if we could add information across all of the invoices.

Hey mpc,

For most sales taxes (unlike EU VAT), a statement about the tax is only relevant to buyers in the same country. Showing the footer only to these buyers minimizes confusion.

For European Union buyers, our imminent VAT release will turn invoices to those buyers into fully compliant EU VAT tax invoices with Envato’s VAT details. So that case will be treated separately (and shortly).

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Hi all,

You are definitely allowed to offer customizations, installations, etc. You just can’t say that it’s included in the purchase.

In the last year we’ve had more and more authors doing things where they say “Go buy my item, and then give me the purchase code and I’ll give you …”, and it’s anything from $1000 worth of free files, to free installations and customizations, to all kinds of incentives. They use the purchase code system that was intended for item support to make these things possible. It means you can artificially game things like the popular files page to have something appear high which isn’t there on its own merits, but because there was some huge freebie offered offsite that some buyers will be completely unaware of.

It’s fine if you say things like “After you buy my item, you can also buy …”, or do general promotions.

Hope that helps!

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In this blog post, you do not show how the invoice looks for the buyer. You show a credit note, instead. Looks like you linked to the wrong image. https://help.market.envato.com/hc/en-us/articles/204159940-A-Buyer-s-Guide-to-Your-Statement-Document?_ga=1.248570951.1185124546.1415579262 Please fix that, else it will lead to a lot more confusion.

Good catch, we’ll get it fixed!

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Hi everyone, thanks for the questions and follow-ups!


First of all, I’d like to thank you that you are so active on forum and you have such a great ideas how to help authors with this complicated matter. :) This document should help a lot. If I could add something – maybe information about VAT collected for net sales? It would help my accountant to prove to our EU IRS that VAT is paid in one document, not on every invoice. It’s just an idea :)

:-) You’re welcome, as you say it’s complicated stuff – and I wanted to make absolutely sure I was across it all! Happily natman, kingdog, the community team and mods are helping me collate questions and answers – makes it a lot easier!

With the VAT collected for net sales, my understanding is that it’s important we don’t show it on your documents because it’s not in your name or your obligation. But I will double check, maybe even there could just be a reference restating that for clarity.


Thanks for the update. I hope there will be an XML export of all information from invoices including customer contact and company details. Bulk download of PDF documents won’t be any help. XML can be easily changed and imported directly into any decent accounting system.

Thanks ait, that’s an interesting suggestion and one I hadn’t thought of. Do you have any examples of import tools for accounting systems that you think this data would be used for. Would help a lot to see some examples to base any analysis we do on.


Collis,

I have a question, the earning calculate are very hardly right now. Maybe you can add a new option to advanced search from My Statement page?

I mean select item : x theme, xx theme, xxx theme like this :

Its very easy for me and for my partners and if you have a team.

Regards.

Filiz

Cool idea, will add to a list we’re making of statement enhancements.


@Collis: is there any way we can get “back” a simple Statement, which shows (only) exactly how much we actually earned (after all fees and what-not)? Now, even if we use the “sales” filter, it still shows the amount before author fee gets deducted; statement page is cluttered with 2x”items sold” number of lines which are basically useless on their own because they just repeat and could easily fit in a single column in the table, instead of taking up row after row… Also, it became a part of the data available in API, so third-party tools we use are also becoming cluttered and unusable. Any chance to see some improvement on this?

This might be a bit tricky because of the way the statement page has been designed in the system. We’ll see what we could do, especially with respect to linking through to the API – as I think this is the kind of view that is best done by an API tool.


Hi Collis,

First of all, I’d like to thank you that you are so active on forum.

Unfortunately I still see some negative side effects of your decision to switch to Platform model.

1. You should be aware that deduction of fees is something that can be reported by business Authors only. AFAIK this is similar in most EU countries:

(this is not related to VAT! It’s related to income tax only)

Author = business: Item price $80 – author fee $30 = net income to report $50 Author = individual: item price $80 – useless piece of paper worth 0 = net income to report $80

Is this possible to create two different types of accounts on Envato for business authors and individual authors with slightly different model for invoices and fees?

2. Are you going to add VAT to Author Fee for non business Authors?

3. Could you please provide a list of EU Directives which are related to your new Author Terms 22 and 23? It could be much easier to talk with government authorities and IRS showing them “pure law”.

I have found these directives:

Article 28: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:347:0001:0118:en:PDF http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/taxation/l31044_en.htm http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/taxation/l31057_en.htm 4. Is there any schedule/timetable/roadmap? When all these changes related to VAT are going to be fully functional on Envato Market? When are you going to issue VAT invoices to customers and charge VAT?

Hey Cocomero, thanks for the kind words – it’s actually been good for me being back in the forums – getting my forum post count up :-D Wish it wasn’t about tax though!

To your questions:

(1) I understand a few authors have said they will have problems as individuals selling. This really depends on your local country requirements. It’s best to talk to your accountant or tax advisor on the best way to sell with Envato.

At this time we’re working on a reseller model for authors who want to sell via Envato Bundles, that might help some authors. But at the moment, no plans to do so via Envato Market.

(2) There won’t be VAT on the author fee because for EU VAT Purposes, Envato acts as a supplier in the middle. This means that for VAT purposes our invoice for an author fee is immaterial, because as far as the VAT is concerned the author supplied to Envato, and Envato supplied to the buyer.

I explained this in my post about the EU VAT changes here – http://themeforest.net/forums/thread/author-information-about-eu-vat-changes/160108

It’s a very strange side effect of the EU VAT laws, and is only relevant in the EU.

(3) There’s a lot of information in the explanatory notes from the EU about Article 9a. You can find them here: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/explanatory_notes_2015_en.pdf in pages 22 onwards. It goes over lots of scenarios where a platform or app store could be deemed to be taking part in the supply and take on the VAT responsibility and invoicing.

(4) We have an internal timetable, but I’m not ready to release it because we’ve had a couple of delays already along the way. We’re working on it as a high priority though because the longer we’re not collecting EU VAT from buyers, the longer it is coming directly from Envato!

OK I think that’s it for now! Will stop in again in the next couple of days for any fresh questions/comments!

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Well I’m off for the evening as it’s Friday night over here. I’ll keep an eye on these forums over the weekend and do a summary Q&A as we were doing on the other threads!

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You can read the updates to the terms here: In particular in the author terms, clause 22 covers taxes and EU VAT specifically and clause 23 more explicitly covers that Envato will issue invoices.

Collis, dropbox links are not working (404 error) http://lpd-themes.d.pr/y9mh

Thank you

Oh thanks for letting me know! Weird :-(

OK I’ve moved them to Droplr and fixed the links. See if that works! Sorry about that!

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Thanks Collis! You know what it would be really awesome with this tool? To show out different withdrawals.. I’m not sure how it would look, but think of author teams – for example, we’re a team of two guys located in two different countries. If we could alter that document to show that two different withdrawals are being made in two different places, it would help a lot. Of course, this is just an idea and it needs to done in a way that would be indeed useful for authors.

Oh that’s an interesting idea, so you mean show some kind of details of the payment details used for the withdrawals?

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