I’m good if I bought from you, and you decide to retire a theme because the sales makes it not worthwhile to update anymore. I’m sure many buyers feel the same way too We don’t expect you to update that theme for life. p/s: Some authors whom I’ve bought before are on this thread you can ask them how I am as a buyer
Don’t think you are a bad buyer at all. Its just does not make sense when you say retire the product instead of updating it for a fraction of the cost. if your OK with retiring the product, then you are fine with not buying an update
See? Why should consumers not lobby for a package that suits them best as well? It shouldn’t be the case of just authors trying to monetise their works so much that people end up leaving.
Well, no idea again what you want to lobby as it is already too late. Envato will not modify the current proposal. It’s a done deal lol
We did voice some improvements but these were rejected. Flip back a few pages and you will see. Might want to hold back your efforts for the next round of improvements pertaining to item support and updates….not happening anytime soon
Thanks Typps, but if you read through the thread, there is almost a militant voice that has been asking for a price hike and a yearly renewal fee. Read @GravityDept’s posts and you’ll see
I agree with GravityDept, his posts are the ones that make the most sense. I hope that one day Envato takes his feedback seriously.
But today, this is what we get and I’ll take this too and lobby this proposal as well
Anyway, TL;DR is that Theme Authors on TF are asking for the prices to be raised even more Although it is cheaper outside to get an all themes, unlimited lifetime package. Or if you don’t mind subscription, to get club subscription with providers like Themify
If TF offers something like Themify or other theme clubs (25 great themes for USD 89 with USD 39 for yearly renewals with two new themes every month and quick response time) then we can talk about yearly renewalsAfter all, that’s the average going rate for theme shops outside, who are doing yearly renewals. Woothemes and Graph Paper Press represent only 1% of shops out there Please don’t use them as an example.
why are you making judgement based on how much an author is making and if they are making a lot of sales, obviously they should cut you some slack and decrease prices or give you updates for life. I don’t get this. Any product takes tons of time and sacrifices. It is impossible to know the kind of returns the author is making. You really need to focus on what you want and if it makes sense for you, as a business to make the purchase.
The support proposal is not about getting authors rich, it’s about sustainability and obviously giving you a better run for your money. Nobody wants to spend 45-55 bucks for a theme and then find out a year down the line, the author is closing shop because they cannot sustain updating or improving the item. It is of no use to keep saying but but themeshop x is giving me more for less. It just does not make sense. Everything has a cost and most authors here sell exclusive so that analogy breaks down pretty quickly as all analogies
Just so we are clear, this does not stop you from downloading an updated item to which you have made a purchase. What runs out is your support from author, after 6. Read quote below:
Buyers paying for support extensions will have the assurance that they are entitled to and can receive more help long after their initial purchase, and that the author is being compensated.
666 is jinxed. Since you’ve also had the double misfortune of having the 666th sale being a record titled “suspense”, I can only imagine your last customer doing this on purpose to stop your sales as they have found a loop hole to exploit.
A loop hole you opened up when you titled an album suspense before surpassing the 666 sales :’(
( Kidding obviously)
Happy thanks giving!
Great interview Sam, thanks for introducing Christian! Seems like a great guy, passionate about his work. We also finally get a glimse of support and what goes on behind the scenes
Freak out all you want my friend. If you want to go bananas over these “potential” situations, rather then speaking to a tax professional in your state/country and finding out things aren’t as doom and gloom as many in this thread are claiming…. by all means
I will again point out, that Envato has stated on several occasions, that they act as the seller when it comes to the VAT/Tax issues, which makes all VAT worries a non-issue. Envato will pay this, period.
And all stuff about having to pay back VAT over the past years, this is all based on rumours, assumptions and fear mongering in the forums. Nowhere is anything written about this being the case, nor has any author been told to do (at least not as far as I know, and again, the Themepunch case is not an example of this). And even if it would be the case, what would happen? Since it’s Envato’s responsibility to pay VAT (which they will), wouldn’t they themselves be liable to pay the missing VAT?Fact of the matter is, it’s all pretty complex and so far, nobody has gotten into trouble (and I doubt anyone will). Why not just play it cool and let this stuff unfold? I really seriously doubt the outcome is going to be as horrific as many have you believe…
Well said chilly_orange +1. Fear is the mind killer. Try to remain objective folks
After going through this thread, from most posts, authors think that VAT will be applied based on whom the item belongs to. If it belongs to an author in the EU where VAT is valid, their customers will be charged VAT and the author be required to handle this VAT, this is wrong
Envato says, they will handle the VAT period. VAT will be determined based on the buyer, regardless of where the author is located. Infact the author does not belong in this picture at all. Envato says, for this instance, in order to handle VAT, they will be acting as the seller.
As an author, as far as you are concerned, you are receiving the money from one entity: Envato. This entity is located in Australia. You will be required to pay your taxes, income tax and what have you. However, you do not have to pay VAT.
VAT is not something you have to deduct from your income. This is an extra amount you charge your customer. Your job in this instance would be to simply collect this extra amount and give it to the proper authorities. In this case, Envato is doing it and handling it proper as they are the ones selling and are in a position to collect VAT from EU customers and then submit this amount to the concerned countries, authorities etc.
Guess we can put a lid on this one, not affecting authors at all. The only people affected are EU buyers who are not businesses. They now will be paying an extra percentage ontop of item price. End of story.