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TortoiseTree says

Well I work full time but have managed to compose/upload an average of 3-4 tracks a week for the past 12-14 months. I would love to just keep on composing more and more but to be honest, I think there comes a time where you just burn yourself out, especially if you work full time. I’m currently having a bit of a break from my own self inflicted schedule and from now on, will compose less pieces, but of a higher (and hopefully, more commercial) quality. :)

I know what you mean about burning out. Glad someone pointed this out as I have thought about this. I’ve often reserved large expanses of time to composing and not composing much but then doing a lot of writing after coming home from work. It’s fantastic as it’s like a release from my stress, it’s almost as if my job is my inspiration for my music LOL.

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TortoiseTree says

LOL, love how in your avatar icon you have yourself (?) with your hands on your head as if in frustration due to the lack of demand in rock.

Depends on the type of rock. If it’s a happy upbeat rock track, then I have seen those used a lot for like car, sports, toys and theme park commercials. Notice how there is a genre here called Lite Rock, even though that genre doesn’t strictly exist. It’s the best selling Rock subcategory and envato’s little tip as to what type of rock is popular here…

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TortoiseTree says

Everyone has commitments, from reading the forums I guess the average age around here is about 30+ and I hear a lot of people here have wives, husbands, kids, office jobs etc. I hear a lot of people say “if I had more time I’d compose more!”

I’m sure you’ve all thought this (except the few of you who happen to do this full time, in which case perhaps ignore this forum post!) so let’s share opinions. Do you think that if you had no (or less) commitments you could become a composer for AudioJungle/stock sites/in general full time?

I (like many of you) am considering it and am crunching the numbers to see if it’s possible. I am yet to take the full dive in, but would love to hear about what goes on in other’s heads to see if we all think similarly.

Take into account everything, sales, your lifestyle, the country you live in etc…

I’m super interested to hear people’s takes on it.

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TortoiseTree says

Whilst posting on one of the many very interesting, slightly controversial and very heated forum topics around here these days I began thinking about something and as usual wanted to open the floor for opinions.

It’s not a secret (even to customers now) that most of us are one-man-shows. And by one-man-shows I’m saying we do all the composing, arranging, performing and recording ourselves. All of it: drums, guitar, keys, bass etc. I honestly used to really believe customers were listening to this and saying to themselves “wow, this band sounds amazing, can’t believe they are selling the track for so cheap!”I recently realised it’s rubbish as I spoke to someone in TV and he said he knew we we’re all making this in our pyjamas sat at home eating a bowl of weetabix/Cap’n Crunch/Coco Pops/Insert your cereal here.

There was an author, rather a group of authors here. Who prided themselves in not using VST’s and recording as a band, not using overdubs. I have to say, you could really feel the groove and the pocket in the tracks. It was amazing. I was saying in another post how even the simplest arrangement played by a group of live musicians in the same room really comes to life just from the pocket you feel in the tracks.

Now my question to you all. Do you believe this elusive “pocket” and “groove” concept stemming from an interconnection of various players in the room playing together is a real thing? Do you believe it is possible to replicate it using VST’s as a one-man show? Do you think it would make a difference here?

The account here that I saw doing it garnered rather healthy sales and was in the popular files chart for a while, but they stopped uploading (mysteriously) after a few months so I never did get to see the effect of a “band” on AJ…

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TortoiseTree says

Of course, there is that whole vicious cycle of the “rich” getting “richer” but then again look at PinkZebra. He pulled his trick off well under two years (his badge says 2 already but he’s been top monthly seller here for a while now). Of course I’ll grant that it’s a bit harder now than it used to be, but to be honest I’ve seen people shoot ahead in less than a year.

An advantage artists like PinkZebra, Tim McMorris and Soundroll have is that, aside from being very talented and experienced producers, they can (more or less) tell the future. They know, that most tracks they release will be valued in the hundreds, if not thousands so putting the time and effort into doing studio recordings is financially sound (listen to the tracks, I hear limited use of VST’s and more real instruments). Actually they probably own their own studios.

My point? Yes I agree that this market favours those that came ahead and did well on sales early in the game. But you can fight it, or at least fight against some of the thousands of authors ahead of you. I mean, the community is great here and all, but we all know that we’re competing here. Most authors here don’t spend that long on each track, most authors don’t even upload every week. On time and effort one can rise the ranks and improve. Heck, if you’re a privately wealthy individual you could effectively fight using money as your ammunition. Of course it’s about the artist, not the tools, but assuming you’re a decent producer/arranger/musician you can really take advantage of things like live players. I remember I once did an arranging project back when I was in music school, and to be honest, it wasn’t that good. The arrangement was simple and uninspired, but having the groove from real players playing it really brought it to life. Just saying…

As for the advertising thing. I always saw it the other way round. I always figured, people come here because of the top 50 authors. I figured my sales came from the times that maybe they didn’t find exactly what they wanted from them and then they found what they needed in my account. I know it sounds a bit pathetic, a bit like I’m eating their scraps but it’s kinda true. You said so yourself 80-90% of the sales belong to them, so the rest for us…

I do agree with most of what you say and I do want to support another fellow author on Aussie soil. It is extremely frustrating at times and I do sometimes feel disheartened about it, sometimes not composing new tracks for weeks. But I haven’t lost hope, I still hope to improve both my musicianship and my production skills and gear to hopefully one day fight along the big boys in the jungle…

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TortoiseTree says

Congrats Gareth! Wow, having the sage of the forums as a reviewer now… I’m excited and a little bit scared. Good motivation to really raise the bar now!!

As for the other reviewers, I too agree that they allowed certain tracks through earlier on for the sake of growth but recently I’ve noticed they too have been a bit stricter, which is great!

Go team!!

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TortoiseTree says

I know it came out in the general forum but I just saw the first few items that are undergoing price testing. If you wanna see them go to some of the top authors pages and check out some of their most recent tracks. Hoping you guys get tons of sales to show the market can support slightly more expensive items!!!

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TortoiseTree says

The other thing is, try to look at it from Envato’s perspective. Not every one can be a top seller but all sales add up…yes even those tracks with just 1 sale!! Remember, 3000 authors each selling 1 track at $9 (rounded up for ease :D) makes Envato $27,000. So from their perspective, it could be a case of “the more the merrier”! :D

Yes! I wanted to talk about this! Also about authors with “abandoned” pages… all that frozen money in their commissions must be in the thousands. Put that in a conservative savings account and it would make a pretty penny LOL!

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TortoiseTree says

Hi Tortoise Tree! I am a new author and my opinion, that if AJ will closed the gates this would improve quality of music, because all the rest will be taken seriously to work here. But I recently in the ranks of AJ can hardly imagine that I would have no chance to upload my music here.This is a big day when I came here. So 50/50:)

Hey man! Welcome to the Jungle! Yeah it was a big day for me too when I joined and to be perfectly honest this place really changed my life so I’m quite happy they didn’t shut the gate at the time. Mind you though, the guy who is currently no. 2 in total sales and no. 1 in monthly sales joined only a couple of months before I did so I’m sure envato is pretty glad they didn’t shut the gates on him!

I’m actually of the belief that the high competition does force us to improve (as said by Deming, for those of you who know Quality Engineering and Process Improvement) so I don’t think closing the gates would improve quality. Thing is, someone in the “February Sales” thread estimated 10,000+ authors in a short time (based on previous growth) so I’m wondering, won’t it be a logistical problem for AJ? (I guess that’s why they’re hiring new reviewers)

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TortoiseTree says

Another thing I thought of… from an accounting perspective it must be really tricky to have all of those accounts with just 1 or 2 sales on them…. I mean I know the authors can take the money out after a year but I’m sure there are quite a few who forget about AudioJungle and just leave the money there. I’m sure it all racks up to thousands of dollars for envato, just sitting around as they can’t move it.

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