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TortoiseTree says

Thanks so much for your thoughts and views guys. I am honestly surprised to see that so many are experiencing the same thing, at that a lot of you started around the same time as me so this is very interesting!

A few ideas on your ideas:

@bdProduction: There is a LOT more published now than before. If your can find the monthly audio jungle reports that Eric Schwartz used to produce before envato hired him then you’ll get an idea what things were like before and how the amount of items produced has increased. Eric is a really smart guy and envato was very clever in snatching him up!

@NoizMan: I too have considered uploading elsewhere but I really just do a lot better here than other places. I mean I do like to send my rejected tracks away and I’ll get a rare sale every now and then from them but for me AudioJungle is really the best place to sell.

@Joel(aka jhunger): Hi Joel, so good to hear from you! I think you got the situation right on the money on how I’m feeling things are here!

@LumenMedia: Yes! I think the front page change is also a huge factor to how things sell. It encourages buyers to try keywords first rather than searching through fields. I guess it’s a good thing for us authors who have been here a while but I can imagine it might be tough for new authors here.

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TortoiseTree says

Hey guys,

It’s been a while since I’ve posted one of my long reflections here but been analysing my portfolio and just wanted to see if you guys who have been here a while are noticing this too:

For those of you who have been here for more than a year, you probably remember the days when whenever you uploaded a new track it would probably sell within a few days or so. That has stopped happening for me for the past few months. Sales have still been healthy as ever on my end, partially thanks to the price increase and my own percentage rate increase but I do feel that there are more customers now and that my portfolio has become stronger. Thing is most of my sales these days are from my older tracks/packs. This initially (and still) made me very happy as it felt like I had reached the point where all me efforts had paid off and essentially my account was making money by itself but I’m also noticing that my new songs aren’t selling as well.

I do realise that I’ve veered away from some genres where the sales were easier and also that I don’t upload as much now but still it does worry me as I’m wondering whether my stuff sounds outdated or whether it simply gets lost in the vast jungle of new authors and songs out each day. That coupled with the fact that reviewers are now able to approve/reject a song within a day means that the outflow of songs is faster than ever.

My real worry stems from the fact that since my new songs aren’t selling as much does it mean that my current AudioJungle account has become stagnant and this is all that it can make now, relying on past hits for good money but unable to grow more.

Have any of you who have been here a while noticed/thought about this too?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

(I really have slowed my uploads down a lot from maybe 10-12 a month to about 2 a month so I will admit that this could be a factor in it)

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TortoiseTree says

Hey guys!

I was at my local audio shop recently and I was playing around with the Novation 37-Key Ultranova:

http://us.novationmusic.com/hardware-synths/ultranova-0

I was having a great time with it and I actually found a nice used one for about 700 dollars.

So, I need some advice guys.

1st: Is there a better outboard synth I can get for 700 dollars?

2nd: Are there any SoftSynths (software synths) that can match the sound of an outboard/hardware synth?

3rd: Is an outboard synth it really worth it? Now this is a loaded question obviously as everyone has different circumstances. Stock audio really provides most of my music earnings but I am planning to go on a big marketing campaign to get more commissions so I do want to raise the level of my portfolio/studio.

Anyway, any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

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TortoiseTree says

A track by a new author (their 1st song) that was just approved was one I had heard on AudioJungle before… sure enough, I found the same track by a completely different author. Both authors claim to be exclusive authors. Both have 0 sales for this song. So… how did one get it from the other (is one not really exclusive)? ...or did they BOTH steal it from some place else? ...or is it the same guy under two exclusive accounts, submitting the song again under a different name?

If only AudioJungle had a way for reviewers to check the fingerprints of songs already approved… Is this something AudioJungle should collaborate with Soundizer on??

Anyway, a support ticket was submitted.

But I wonder how often this happens.

Let’s be each other’s ears and eyes as best as we can and keep this marketplace safe!

Good on you for spotting that Phil!

This has been a problem for a while now. There was even a top author (Yes… “top author”) who turns out just uploaded a whole library of other people’s music and was just raking in the money for more than a year before he got found out. I think a few of the veterans here remember this “chick”.

I agree with Phil, we’ve all got to stay tuned to all this and stay alert so we can watch each other’s backs.

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TortoiseTree says

Hypothetical question here that I think a lot of people have asked themselves before and I’d really love to hear what people are going to say.

Imagine someone was to lend you 10,000 dollars to buy music gear to advance your career, what would you buy with it? How would you set it up? Would you invest in something not necessarily gear-related (e.g: education, books, membership to a country club) that could still advance your career?

Imagine you’d have to pay this back in say 5 years so you can’t just go nuts and buy every guitar you like and hope it goes vintage lol!

So yeah let’s hear them!

(If you were going to write: “I’d buy tons of new guitars and hope one of them would become vintage” I’d love to know how one can discern that… it would be a great investment skill!)

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TortoiseTree says

That’s pretty fair consumer advice for us. Has this happened to anyone else?

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TortoiseTree says

If I was reviewer, I would ask you to change title, because it is not dubstep actually, but called “Dubstep Number”. It’s something like ambient, chillout or downtempo, but not dubstep.

But it sounds pretty good for me and I think that may be demanded by users who needs hi tech background music.

+1 I was about to say some very similar things.

The track itself is fine in terms of production values and compositional structure, I don’t really see it getting hard rejected but they may change the category for you. Some authors stress over this but normally it’s a good thing as the reviewers normally have a better idea then we do concerning where a track should go to optimise it’s selling.

Whilst I agree with Toivo that the track is a tad repetitive and low-key I actually think that’s not a bad thing as it makes it really useful as background music, if you read the new article they released recently on tips for music for AudioJungle they do say to avoid intricate solos or things that raw too much attention. God knows I myself sometimes write 4 chord music beds for AudioJungle because I know that some customers really like it for background music. Watch daytime television on the BBC, particularly shows about Gardening or Food then you’ll see they love that stuff. Again, if you’re going to go the route of writing background music/music beds it’s important to differentiate between repetitive and subtle. Repeating a phrase a lot is not necessarily a bad idea as long as you have enough different musical ideas to keep things interesting, we all know there are TONS of famous 4 chord songs that do really well in the charts!

As Alexander has said earlier I too see it better for a “Corporate-Tech” track rather than a dubstep one and can see it selling rather well there. It’s a very nice and subtle track yet includes sufficient melodic ideas for it not to be boring either!

So yeah, it’s a nice track but really isn’t dubstep enough to go in that category. One thing I have noticed in the “Electronic” music category here is that to get a track to do well in that category it really has to purely represent that genre. The dubstep tracks are VERY dubstep, the glitch tracks are VERY glitch, the trance tracks are VERY trance. Personally I like electronic music (to an extent) but do not consider myself an electronica producer hence whenever I attempt to produce it I often make tracks that really should fall more into Pop, Corporate-Tech or Ambient-Lounge and I learned that placing them in those pure electronica categories would often lead to few sales but after I learned to place them in the other categories I mentioned earlier and I got more sales for those tracks!

I ended up droning on a bit, but I hope that was useful!

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TortoiseTree says

I have some rules I personally follow for this sort of thing:

1. If a pack doesn’t sell for a few months then I say delete it, when you have new tracks in that genre you can try making a pack again with what is perhaps a better combination of songs.

2. If it’s a song you never know when it will sell and why say no to the money, never delete it UNLESS…

3. It’s a Corporate/Motivational song… those just get buried really quickly now so if no one picked the song up in it’s first few weeks it’s unlikely to be picked up after unless you really market the hell out of the song (and really what’s the point if it didn’t sell in the first place). Go ahead and send non-selling Corporate/Motivational songs right over to the other markets and delete them from your AudioJungle exclusive account.

In the case of situation 2, I find that tracks written with quite a specific feel in mind (which really is most of the genres here if you think about it) have quite good longevity and consistence over time. Look at successful authors here with big portfolios like Pink Zebra… he has various tracks in the same genres but each has a very distinct feel one from the other. When people come here to buy music, it’s that specific feel they are looking for, if your track has that perfect combination of emotions then boom! the sale is yours!

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TortoiseTree says

I watched this video as it was a commercial for something else but it got me thinking, is there something like this for people who want to produce music and simply make money out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqvNDegUv8

Just to clarify what this is for those of you that don’t want to click on the link, this is a video about this DVD series for becoming a successful wedding photographer and all the aspects from artistic to business about it.

Now the DVD series costs 300 USD but if I’m honest, I’d gladly pay that to get more info on how to find more clients, how to improve my artistic/production sense and the steps I should be taking to really run my own show.

Obviously there won’t be a “How to become a Billboard/Top 40 producer” and to be honest that’s something that shouldn’t really exist anyway… but something practical like “how to become a jingle writer for your local town” or “how to write music for your local TV station” would be really cool.

If any of you know if there is anything along the lines please do post it on the forum for all of us to take a look at. If you’re an elite author/already successful in the industry consider making a DVD series, I think you might be pleasantly surprised as to how many people may want to buy it!!

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TortoiseTree says

Challenge Accepted

I was going to write about Session Horns in my forum topic “What not to buy”. That topic really didn’t take off so I never got round to it but I’ll take this as my chance to throw in my 2 cents.

I am not a programmer nor am I a computer/software engineer (actually I was trained as an Architectural Engineer but that’s not related this). When I pay my hard earned cash for these programs I expect to be able to play the horn part into the track with minimal midi editing/programming the sounds etc. Now Session Horns CAN sound realistic, the sound samples on the NI website aren’t lies, it just takes a REALLY long time and lots of effort to get that crisp and realistic horn sound we want for our tracks. What plays when you load the program is not particularly better than some of the cheesy horn sounds you find in most keyboards today (some Yamaha and Korg samples are way better IMHO).

Now Joel, I know you are a software engineer so probably will find working this gadget easy, but is it really the best of it’s type in the market? I myself don’t know and hope someone else chimes in about this, as Session Horns was my first Brass only sample purchase….

If I’m honest, I do buy into these bundles mainly because they are economical. But I understand that ideally, one should pick the best of the crop and go from there, I just don’t really make enough from all this right now to do this. But for you, whose level of musicianship/production/business level has already advanced quite a lot (you’re an elite author and heaven knows what other wonderful things you do outside AudioJungle) it’s probably better if you go around getting “exactly what you want” rather than buying into these things.

So there we go… my argument for you to keep searching for a product that might suit you more.

As a side note though, if you do buy Session Horns I’d love to know how to make it sound as realistic as they sound on the NI website!

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