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TortoiseTree says

http://rekkerd.org/deals-deals-deals/

Thanks for the awesome link…

Oh wait…

Too many things I want…

There go all my October earnings (jk)

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TortoiseTree says

Yeah! Mat is a really nice guy with a great sense of humor! Great having him as a reviewer!

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TortoiseTree says

Right, honestly those who are moaning need to stop. Simply put, YES. AJ does know what is and what is not commercial. The whole Envato business model is successful because of this, in a time where other stock sites are closing their doors because they just cant compete.

I see the same authors who complain about their tracks being rejected backing each other up, and again submitting more items which again get rejected. You’re not doing you, your fellow authors, or the users any favours by saying ‘yeah your right, I had my tracks rejected too, AJ don’t know what their doing’.

By doing that, you are encouraging other authors and yourselves who have been rejected that your material is in fact suitable for use of AJ or other stock sites. You’re wrong.

If your material is of commercial use then AJ will accept it and it will go live. I have never had a single track rejected, apart from one where I messed up on the actual description – it had nothing to do with the audio. Why? Because I watch and listen to trailers, films etc and see how things are trending, so I can keep up with the current industry and make sure I am creating commercial material.

If you want to write music because it makes you happy, then thats fine, put it up on YouTube or iTunes, whatever, but if your submitting work to AJ then it better be written for commercial use, not just ‘I like it, so maybe others will too’.

And those who have commented who have said don’t AJ realise that not all composers can afford a proper studio, equipment or samples etc…..

My question to you is what are you doing here?!

If you cannot create music which is up to scratch then that is not AJs fault, sure its an expensive list of equipment and samples, but thats what you need. I am not a wealthy man, I have good samples because I have saved up, worked, used my student loans on samples and equipment and ate beans for a month etc. There are always ways to get the materials you need to write music which meets industry standards.

However if you think for a second that AJ should let up on authors and accept their tracks because they can’t use samples that sound realistic because their too expensive then you are really in the wrong place.

I sell music on other sites as I am non-exclusive, and I have too say AJ is the strictest, but it also has the best quality of music, and they didn’t get that by accepting authors items because their friend said it was cool, or by pitying those who cannot afford the correct equipment to complete the job.

I tell you what, I’ll go open a surgery and use a butter knife and spoon to do open heart surgery on people. I think I’m pretty clued up on how to operate, I’ve not been medical school, but I’m a fast learner, and I cant afford all the fancy sterile equipment that everyone else uses who operates successfully, so the butter knife and spoon will have to do.

No? I didn’t think so. Time to sort yourselves out.

+1 Great article, mate. 100% agree with everything. AudioJungle should make every prospective author read this or at least embed it into their “be an author” link!

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TortoiseTree says

Interesting answers indeed. I’ve been part of this debate for a couple years now as many authors have asked this and am happy to throw my hat in again (good to see you have too Joel!)

I ran an “experimental” account about a year ago where I wrote 30 tracks first uploaded them to AudioJungle to see how much they would make and then once the account got “tired” (stopped consistently making money due to no more new uploads) I then decided to pass them onto other sites letting the AJ account go non-exclusive for a while).

Result: I still made more money on AudioJungle.

Now to make it a realistic scientific report I do have to clear up some irregularities that the experiment had.

1. I mostly wrote corporate songs in that account, I was also experimenting what the effects of having an account with just 1 genre in it to see if it had stronger brand identification with customers.

2. I admittedly didn’t keep it non-ex for more than a couple months as I “missed” the AJ earnings and put it back on exclusive after a few months.

Now I realise if perhaps I had fielded my Mega TortoiseTree portfolio (with 200+ tracks) then perhaps results may have been better as it is a more varied and larger account and we all know that to do well in some of these other sites, volume is a must.

I have heard other authors say that AudioJungle is their best earner and it is for me too. I know there is one other site that is sometimes other people’s best earner but as far as I know with the exception of this other site (which allows you to fix your price hence perhaps altering total earnings) I know most of the others are duds.

Now there is the exception of “Boutique Libraries” I know those pay handsomely and also some sites do have an “exam” period or no longer let people in. But yeah, generally I’d say stay exclusive here, especially if you’re not going to field a mega-portfolio (in terms of number of items).

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TortoiseTree says

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I checked your portfolio and saw that you submitted a bunch of tracks over the past few weeks and basically what happened is that your initial sales surge was reflected by your constant exposure from having so many tracks up but now that some time has passed those tracks are beginning to sell a bit less as you have less exposure.

I’ve seen it happen a lot here, new authors come to AudioJungle, get excited by it’s prospects and upload their entire portfolios in a few days/weeks. Initial sales are strong due to high exposure but then sales begin to diminish a bit as time passes and since those authors uploaded their entire back catalogue of course they can’t produce at the speed that they uploaded to maintain exposure. It’s natural, I think it’s happened to almost everybody who is an author here when they first joined! So don’t worry dude!

Also last week was really weird and I think all authors experienced an extreme dip in sales (I know I most certainly did)

Make sure you keep promoting your old tracks and keep uploading new ones and you’ll find a certain amount of consistency here!

Hope that helps!

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TortoiseTree says


I think there are like 1,500 + RF sites
Really? I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that there are 25-30… I guess some are more Google-savvy than others.

A large part of those are dead or dying, then some are the boutique ones where only a handful of people (sometimes even just one) are providing the music for those sites. Then there are the new kids around the block, very hopeful and many of them with super well designed websites but frankly the vast majority of them will run out of money for the huge hosting costs needed to run such a site within a few years.

Big sites like AudioJungle that let anyone in there are only a few, I can name about 5-6 but a few of those I’m pretty sure will be closed up within a few years too.

If you are interested go look up the “Music Library Report” I bought a month’s subscription and I saw nearly every single site listed which is why I know all this.

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TortoiseTree says

Even in “rich” countries you could do ok if you were smart with your money. Remember that one of the main advantages of AudioJungle is that your location (mostly) doesn’t matter (subject to internet connectivity).

I used to live in Nottingham in the UK, I had a pretty nice apartment for about 100 pounds a week (400 pounds a month all bills included) and spent about 40 pounds a week on food. At that I was actually living quite comfortably (eating out with friends, going to the cinema, the apartment was a studio apartment in a decent location). If I had lived a bit humbler or found another source of income to cover that little bit extra I could have probably kept that lifestyle. Sydney on the other hand is a whole different story!

There are cheap cities in the US, Australia, Japan etc. so it’s not limited to cheap countries. Also commodities are often more expensive in less developed countries (I’ve never seen audio gear cheaper than in the US!)

As for making a living doing this:

Yeah, the unpredictability is a huge factor. It’s worth having something else as safety. I quit my last job about 3 months ago to pursue more music related income but I’m also still working in another non-music related business. Fortunately for me, despite the drought on sales on AudioJungle the other business is actually doing pretty well so it’s pretty nice not having to worry too much about the drought (but I am still very very concerned and am making careful plans about the future of my music).

If you want to do it, go ahead, it’s not impossible but just remember you’re going to have to be extra smart and extra cunning to stay alive. You really need to put the hours (as if you are in a real office job) in and NEVER rest on your laurels. A year ago I was doing really well here and I kind of let things slide about half a year ago and I’m feeling the pinch now!

Use all your talents and realise that times pushing AudioJungle too much isn’t the best strategy in terms of your finances. Find other ways to make money and also exploit that at the same time!

Hope that was helpful.

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TortoiseTree says

About old and new extended licenses. You are absolutely right. Before new licenses, I had around 30 (give or take) extended sales. After new licensing system- 0! Moreover, sales are dropping dramatically since July. Comparing to last year it’s about 50% less in earnings. Something is definitely wrong.

Exactly!

Before it was mostly relatively new authors complaining about lack of sales but ever since “the big change” I’m seeing a lot of authors who I’ve known here on AudioJungle for 2 years now suddenly being very vocal: authors who previously were consistent sellers now complaining about huge sales drops and/or new items not selling. Amongst those voicing this authors who have been here 3+ years and were at one time in the top selling list.

Now I have 2 theories about the economics of the problem.

1.) Less customers/less spending hence less sales. My theory earlier about people not wanting to shop here anymore might be true, it is possible but highly unlikely. I’ve also heard reports of other sites sales not doing that great so we know they’re not really shopping elsewhere…

2.) That leads me to my second theory. They customers are the same, their budgets are the same. The spread changed. Before the first choice for customers visiting the site was the categories tabs, on clicking those they hit a list of items by date, with the search tab, trending items comes first. The old system was way better because the customers saw new songs first, now they just see popular stuff.

Now here is my question, as much as we all complain no matter what someone is still scoring the sales and they will keep producing as the sales favour them. I personally don’t 100% believe that it’s a global recession in sales, I believe that the traffic is being pushed towards a few authors and now it’s up to the rest to decide whether they want to keep or writing or not.

Before new authors were very motivated to compose a lot as they would always score a sale within days of a new song, now that this doesn’t happen as often anymore I wonder if new authors will be dissuaded to stay as they probably won’t see the money as fast.

Same for old authors, now that new tracks aren’t “nearly-assured” sales like they were in the past, we will soon begin to ask ourselves what is the point of adding new stuff if the old stuff is all that sells.

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TortoiseTree says

Since they changed the search engine and introduced trending items thing my sales dropped by 50% on this market,and also my old items don’t sell at all anymore.

Yeah right? I haven’t seen an exact 50% drop on my end (yet) but a significant one that is getting pretty damn close. If I continue the month the same way then yes, it will be a 50% drop.

The new layout really inhibits the sale of new items, as it encourages search words instead of using the category links which pushes customers towards popular items.

As for the the new licenses, I think perhaps people shopped at AudioJungle in the past because they felt that since the extended license was the most expensive, that everything covered it including film licenses and national broadcasts etc. Now with the new licenses, they are morally obliged to pay for those. And the proof is in the pudding, how many of you all have sold the new licenses? I’ve only sold from the second tier ONCE. I know these new license tiers are rare sales.

I fear that AudioJungle perhaps took too many steps in imitating other sites that were less successful than it (focus on keyword search vs categories, various tiers of license) and this may hurt the authors in the long run. Unfortunately I know it’s useless to beg for the old design back as the design has already changed on ThemeForest, VideoHive and the entire Envato network so they won’t change it anymore….

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TortoiseTree says

This seems bizarre, November is traditionally one of the very best months. I had a really strong start at the beginning of the month but then after Tuesday last week I saw nothing till yesterday (which is SUPER rare for me, I rarely have 3 days without sales let alone a whole bloody week) easily the longest period with no sales since January 2013!

Even though I am somewhat comforted knowing it’s a global trend I am concerned as to the causes. Any ideas folks?

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