Really interesting stats, thanks for sharing
Would I be right in saying then that, despite there being over 20,000 authors – over 15% of all sales have come from the top 50 authors. Envato needs to treat those guys like a-list celebs!
Oh and poor 3D Ocean
crozer saidYes, in theory. But…
Woah, I’ve missed a lot here. From what I can see, though, this will happen: 1. I create a product under the GPL license, 2. I create another account, pretend to be a buyer, and buy my own product, 3. Re-sell it wherever I want, because essentially, I have purchased a GPL-licensed product. 4. I make extra profit, and TF’s Exclusivity has no meaning whatsoever anymore.
To make it not so obvious what you’re doing, you’d need to operate under a different brand and use different support forums. Otherwise Envato would pick it up pretty fast and then you’d be done for on these marketplaces, and let’s be honest – you’d earn a lot more here than on your own site.
So who is going to buy from the unknown brand totally unconnected to the theme author? My guess is no one, unless of course you undercut the theme author (i.e. yourself) – which is a sound business idea! Good luck supporting the people too cheap to pay full price for a theme, those guys are the worst!
Oh, you won’t offer support on the second account? So now you’re competing with the pirates, who give it for free… that’s a tough market to get into when you’re trying to make money.
It sucks to be the copyright holder and also the only one restricted in how you can distribute your files, but this is Envato’s house and they make the rules. There isn’t really a conflict here.
That was something I was wondering about with Woo actually.
A while back they changed their payment structure because they said they were losing money on quite a few customers. Some people would use the same theme over and over as a starting point framework for their clients, meaning support queries all the time, for only 1 purchase. Over the years, the costs were mounting up.
To combat this, they’ve changed so that support and updates are only offered for 1 year, after that you have to purchase another license. What approach are they taking for the sales they get here, is it support for life (in which case their customers might be better off buying through TF) or have they found a way around that?
ChapterThemes saidIt’s not really a business decision (unless you’re being strong-armed by the WPF, then it kind of is!) – mostly it’s a philosophical one, as Collis said. WordPress is GPL, which is what has allowed us all to use it to do what we want with it and underpin our own businesses and livelihoods. If you believe in that license, and believe in the community – then full GPL is a way of passing on the same freedoms that wordpress afforded you.
I have one question: Why would an author use 100% GPL for his/her item?
Not all copies are malicious. For example, WooCommerce is an awesome platform that came about because they ‘stole’ the code from JigoShop – yet a year on, it is arguably a much better product. Yes, one author (JigoWatt) might feel unfairly treated by this, but as a community and as a software platform – we’ve benefited. The great thing about GPL is that JigoWatt could now take the latest work done on WooCommerce and call it JigoShop v2.0 and start modifying it to suit them and their users.
I don’t think it is for everyone, and i don’t think people should feel forced into it – but unfortunately Matt has a very strong opinion on Wordpress and the GPL and if you want to be heavily involved in the community, then you’ve really got to go full GPL.
One question that I’ve seen asked that I don’t think is cleared up here is to do with selling stock in stock. Recently you changed licensing and made it so that authors could not bundle CondeCanyon plug-ins into their WP themes. If they wanted to do so they had to make private arrangements with the plug-in owner, outside of the marketplaces. Obviously if CC authors switch to full GPL then this won’t be the case any more.
Without a marketplace policy of not allowing this, then I worry you’ll have a race to the bottom with authors bundling ‘hundres of dollarz $$$’ worth of plug-ins with their theme as a selling point.
Also, on a seperate point. I think your ‘home-grown’ author should be DesignCrumbs (jake). His themes are now 100% GPL and he was the driving force behind the change.
Appreciate you still being here Carl, I’ve gone to bed and it’s a whole new day here and you’re still answering questions!
If you sold GravityForms on CodeCanyon then I’m pretty sure you’d have to give updates for life, so could only restrict the site licenses to support (which is hard to police anyway).
Also, you couldn’t sell the 3 site license and the developer license, as those don’t exist here. Typically new functionality takes 18 months or more for Envato to implement, so you wouldn’t have it all that soon either.
Then, if like us, you were exclusive, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t sell the other support licenses yourself without Envato being unhappy about it.
Perhaps from a legal perspective there is no difference, but in reality a marketplace is different from a private theme / plugin shop.
I believe most authors here understand that there is no direct conflict between our exclusivity and being full GPL. However by selling here, we are agreeing to be limited in our distribution rights for our work yet are being allowed to give our buyers much greater distribution rights than we’re afforded ourselves by Envato. We become the only person restricted, yet it’s our work. It’s a puzzling situation to be in and one that I don’t think anyone has faced yet in the WP community, we are perfectly entitled to discuss it – even if some are misinformed.
CodingJack said100% GPL is 100% GPL. Make your plugins GPL and I’ll include all of those in my upcoming themes. And no in-house rules can’t stop me!
A serious question here. Can we make it an in-house rule that 100% GPL does not override the current in-house stock-to-stock rule with regards to using other marketplace items in your own?
...they can stop you selling it here though, which is what codingjack is asking.
Eurgh, silly humans!
We’re having the vote, we’re very likely to get the option of going 100% GPL, so let’s just focus on what that means for the marketplace.
I’m tempted to make the switch, but before making that decision I’d like to know:
1. What review policies will Envato add to prevent opportunistic copycats. I don’t mind what people do with my themes, but I don’t want to see it being sold right next to mine!
2. What about porting 100% GPL themes to another platform? Would Envato allow that to be sold here?
3. If someone does take my code and resell my theme here with some modifications and it gets through the review process, do I have any rights to request its removal?
4. Will price be changed on 100% GPL items to reflect the freedoms (ie better than the extended license)?
5. What will happen to the extended license, this would make it a bit of a joke…
I also have one for Justin / greenshady:
Do you ever get woo themes being submitted to Wordpress.org? If I sold themes here that were 100% GPL, and someone submitted it to .org, would you guys catch it? If I saw my theme, or one which was 90% my theme on there, could I have it removed?
...PS. I have a BEng in Civil Engineering, in case anyone is interested