I have to agree here, generally there’s quite a few business cards that are simply useless. Even if you could read that small perfectly printed solid color text, most of them use cmyk colors where the raster effect makes the thin lines blend into each other, not to mention the white text on black backround that very often makes the text just vanish due to the dot gain. At the moment I don’t see much of point in submiting business card layouts since theres no point in competing with designs that look nice on screen but can not be produced with normal cmyk printing process that is mostly used in business card printing.
For this market place to grow and to keep up the standards, I would say that business cards for one should have a production price estimate, or at least detailed information about the printing process required.
I mean there’s quite a difference between the “default” one sided 300g/m CMYK business card and the 600g/m custom shaped CMYK + 1 spot color and spot UV varnish. If you don’t trust me, call your local printing company.
I’d really like to see what triggered this discussion.
You buy a mac because you create design.
There’s three categories under creatives: Designer, Artists and Engineers. If you are and artist you don’t care what other people think, you live for your art and nothing else matters, therefore that 8 year old PC running Amiga OS with Deluxe Paint will do just fine. If you are an Engineer you care what other engineers think, and if you cant prove it with a single calculation, you fail. Therefore you buy a PC. Designers in the other hand create with emotion, they have to read minds and be one with whats cool in about 8 minutes. If you believe that the milk sold in golden bottles is actually better, there’s only one way for you to prove it: you buy design yourself. you buy a mac.
So Doru, what time it is?
And Digitalimpact, I can tell that you sir are truely a designer, you prefer SSD over 16GB(more usefull) of ram and you care about something like how fast photoshop starts up even thoug you never close it.
Btw, I have a mac… uh-oh, actually 3 macs
I believe that for alot of clients it’s important to be part of the creative process even if they don’t really have ideas or tools of that trade. Anyhow this doesn’t remove the fact that they want to be part of it. And if you don’t make it easy for them, they make it hard for you. “I say more speakers or I’m not paying you!”
What I try to do is to leave some obvious opening for the design. for example before meeting with the client just remove their logo from the design. And then you can find the “right place” for the logo together, and how convenient there just happens to be a logo size hole in the design! super! Also when you’re talking about the ideas you don’t say no to the clients ideas, you tell him that it’s an brilliant idea. And what he probably means is not speaker but something that you want and that you really like his idea! and then add couple of more thanks to that and state few more times how his idea rocks. ... even though it was yours.
and now instead of excluding the client from the creative process you have included him into your creative process.
I miss read your title for “Vacation Policy” and I was ready to jump the guns since there is no vacation!
This is actually a really good point. And as a designer I have to say that i agree totally. And don’t get me wrong I’m not saying that I was more unique than anyone else. I would love to make some simple designs but they just won’t get through the review process at the moment. If you use simple and functional typography and I mean fonts that are well designed but minimalistic, you will be asked to “improve” the typography and to check out the current best selling flyers a.k.a. the flyers with the palm trees. So for a designer its quite easy to draw the conclusion that that what the reviewers want is a buch of palm trees and a sleek array of speakers. and ofcourse some gradients and lensflares on the texts. Graphic presentations with old school graphic elements without dropshadows and gradients will be ruled flat and “not up to the standards. I would definately like to see an opening for simpler designs. Cleaner and not so stuffed. Put black text on a white background and you will be banned forever.
And after all marketing is all about standing out from the crowd. well, not all but it’s a big part. And at the moment simple designs would be it.
my 3 cents. oh and ps. I love you all. seriously. no homo. or maybe a bit of that too.
Yeah, i have to agree with some of the other designers here. The wet look is nice… if yo are after a wet look. Most of the time when my magazines look like that i throw them away. Any how my point being, mockups for most of the designers are tools for selling something to someone who tries to sell something. So if the purpose of my design is to make the clients product look amazing, the purpose of your product should be making my design look super nice, crisp and professional at the same time. Most of the time worn out or wet magazine wont do that at least for me.
Just to stir it up a bit more: Are we talking about copy pasting graphics or ripping of ideas? For example I don’t think out all time favorite, the mirror ball, can be copy righted and i also do not believe that anyone here actually invented the use of a mirror ball in a flyer. The picture of a mirror ball itself can actually be someones property.
Anyhow: +5 for the author forums.
I don’t think the 0.01 will make much of a difference. expect in making the product look cheap and not in a good way. when you are buying design would you buy the cheapest? Design and “we have the lowest prices!” shouldn’t go hand in hand in my opinion.