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SonicCube says

SoniceCube, Please don’t take offense to the things I say. I was not attacking you. It is clear that you are trying to do what is best for your client. I am talking about if someone simply gives them a carbon copy of what they are selling here. Another thing I was thinking, that I didn’t think of before, if you sell direct, there may be different uses the client has, and it would be justifiable to charge much more in some cases. I apologize. I was wrong.

Don’t worry, i was just explaining. And what you forgot as well : If i sell direct, i can keep 100% so the amount i get is higher as if i send this customer to a Stock Site.

Hope this discussion does not offend the Envato staff, it’s just a general discussion about the value of our music nowadays.

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SonicCube says

It just doesn’t seem ethical to sell through AJ exclusive and then direct for a higher price. Direct, it seems you would be wanting to give the client something project specific. Why would you want to sell direct clients stuff that you submit to stock media? Perhaps your stock media stuff is too good and you need to try to sell direct more? Even if you could work around some technicality to sell direct and AJ exclusive for the same track, it just feels very wrong to me. Just my opinion.

i don’t know why you think it’s ethically wrong ? If we should speak about ethical and moral things, then i would ask you if you don’t think it’s wrong that we all destroy the music business and devaluate our music by using a marketplace that sells so cheap ? I don’t blame Envato, but honestly all of us that we go for quick money here.

Another thing you should be aware of is, that i offer my clients either a complete custom track for a fair and locally competitive price or if the budget is low, a track from my library which i can customize to his needs. Why should i send this customer to AJ and never see him again ? Most of them even don’t have the time to visit such marketplaces and i offer the service to choose a track that suits his project and i invest time to do this.

It’s simple : The prices here are just to low and this is why this marketplace has such a success. I don’t feel i cheat anyone if i ask for a regular, localy fair price for my invested time in my music. My fix costs here per month are $5’000 so go and think if you can always act like the good Samaritan and explain your family that we have a problem at the end of the month.

Oh, and thanks a lot King Dog for the answer that solved my question.

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SonicCube says

Yes, i have read this sentence :“You may elect to become an Exclusive Seller which means that you agree only to sell your Products through the Sites and not through other web sites or other medium (Exclusive Seller).”

As i have checked with various other stock sites, they allow you to sell your very own items to your own customers.

You know, i run a Production Studio over here and if a client comes to my studio asking for some ready to buy tracks, i will sure not send him to my Envato account. If this is what Envato is asking us for, it’s just so out of this world. I completely understand that exclusive means, it is only available on ONE STOCK SITE, but thats it.

I know, a Marketplace can make a rule as they wish to, there is no official law or anything, but there are common practice in the business. I am sure nobody would agree that sending a local customer over to a Stock Site would be wise, and therefore Envato should clarify that statement and use the common practice in the business that says exclusive means no other stock sites and competitors of Envato.

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SonicCube says

Hello all

as we’ve had some discussions about what is allowed and what not, i have read the http://audiojungle.net/legal/membership terms a few times.

What i still not understand is the following :

Am i allowed to sell tracks that i have on my Exclusive account on AJ to my local clients who do not use any of the Royalty Free Marketplaces ?

I’m asking this, because other sites in the same business state, that authors are allowed to sell their content directly to their existing clients. And to be honest, as author and production company owner i would be silly to send my clients over to AJ where they then probably buy from someone else and especially for 10 times less then if i sell it directly on a “regular” price base.

I can imagine what Envato will say, but is it not “normal” and “fair” if we are able to sell the things to our clients instead of ruining our business and loosing our clients ? I’m not speaking about Envato competitor websites, but our very own and our very own clients.

Any thoughts or even better legal and official statements regarding this (and please keep in mind, we all have to life and feed our families) !

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SonicCube says

and for “being a loyal member” – I also take in account referring over 400 new customers to Envato, buying over 200 items on the Envato Marketplaces. Being a active member in the Forum and AJ Author groups on Soundcloud etc. to help promoting the Marketplace. Having a tidy Portfolio with lots of Graphics for each item. This might have nothing to do with being loyal for you …... but think about it twice what loyal means …it’s not just earning money on a Marketplace !

I’m off here now !

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SonicCube says


So why do you not just report Exclusive Authors uploading their original content to other Marketplaces ?
Did you actually read what this is all about? I don´t just report as I am tired of doing this. Period! It´s not my job.I care about my business. And by the way, I happened to find you on another site putting up your portfolio at the same time you decided to have a non-exclusive account here an AJ and naturally on other sites as well. There were a few “new” tracks but also one track you´ve sold exclusively her on AJ. I don´t remember its name and to be honest I just don´t care and maybe you removed it in the meantime and yes, it was just one track, but you know, before having the guts to participate in this very thread and claiming yourself as a loyal author here on AJ I would advise you to care about your own business.

So it’s your job to point your finger at someone else without any justification ? As i said, i opened a second non-exclusive account here and i’m moving tracks from my exclusive to my non-exclusive. I also mentioned i might have a track or two on other marketplaces now that sound similar as i re-used some elements of older songs. Probably some people think it’s not OK and i respect their opinions, but i for myself think it’s ok when i have spent another 1-2 days to make a similar track out of an existing one and there are no rules broken by that.

Your post is very offensive and you should think twice before you let go your frustration to someone else. Think about me what ever you want, but don’t post wrong facts and accusations against other authors here !

If you feel the need to offend me further, go ahead and send me a PM instead.

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SonicCube says

So why do you not just report Exclusive Authors uploading their original content to other Marketplaces ?

Does it make sense to discuss it here and maybe even motivate others to jump on the train ?

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SonicCube says

but I have heard a few bigger selling artists here using an almost identical “re-work” of their popular AJ-exclusive tracks. Can I assume this is a violation also?

This is a critical point, if this is seen as violation, then many of the tracks here on AJ should be banned, as they are “soundalikes” and really very similar to some top selling tracks.

I’d say, if a author is uploading dozens of tracks like that, it’s not ok. But if you find one or two tracks from an author on other marketplace that sound similar to his ones on AJ, it’s not more unfair then all the people copying ideas from other authors. That said, most of the clapping ukulele whistle tracks should be banned ;)

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SonicCube says

I listened as well and i have to agree with others :

1. The timing (especially the shaker) is off

2. Some Reverbs and Delays are off in the timing

Those are probably the reasons for the rejection. It’s not a question of “taste” here, but sure a matter of “wrong” settings that can be heard by someone without trained ears.

Fix these things, work a bit on the mixdown and resubmit it :)

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SonicCube says

Hello All

I Agree that it is not fair to sell exclusive tracks on other stock sites. I had to open a second non-exclusive AJ account to upload some tracks on AJ and on the other marketplaces.

Not sure what other think about it, but i used some older AJ tracks as a base to produce a new one and uploaded this “new” track to other Marketplaces and used sometimes a similar name and the same promotional pictures for it. This helps me saving time in writing a description and creating graphics for each track.

To my understanding this does not violate any terms of AJ and i think it’s fair enough to spend one or two days on a “old” track and take it as a “new” one even if some sounds are re-used and the name is similar.

I was a loyal exclusive author for 4 years now on AJ and had to make the move to other marketplaces because i try to life from my income generated by music. Therefore it’s simply to “dangerous” to rely on one marketplace.

That’s just my opinion and i hope no one feels offended or cheated by doing things as described.

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